EVE General Discussion

Eh don't get me started, if its one I remember very well, its a good chunk of eve history. 10.. no nearly 11 years of useless facts is my speciality

In All Honesty though it wouldn't be a bad idea to get a mass conglomerate together to harass these area's and start breaking up Null sec again.

As a renter I think that it's still a better life than being in a non-renting alliance(even if I'm a little bit more hunted).

Whenever I'm in a big alliance it's the same large group of people with absolutely 0 community who get along because shooting eachother would take effort where as not shooting eachother does no harm(great gameplay mechanics on behalf of CCP by making a large quantity of all nullsec activities avilable). I can log in, go about my business in a single system with people that I play with for fun and at the end of the day when I forget to set my phone to silent I don't get jabbered at 4AM to go on some useless structure shoot with an FC that hates me just as much as I hate him.

If I have to get ganked a bit more for this privilege I'm fine with that.

Yeah, I'm sure Phoebe will make renters go away

Because there's no way landlordz could subdivide their wast lands into smaller pieces with artificial sov changes managed and protected by dedicated groups. Yeah, they will have to personally make millions of jumps back and forth all over their space.

The only thing that will change is more granulation in sov map. So instead one huge blob of one color we will have few smaller blobs but if you follow the money you will see they end up in the same pockets as they do now.

As for shooting renting corps or harassing them by AFK cloaked System Health Inspectors it has basically zero influence. You explode few idiots in carriers who don't pay attention to intel and local and don't check sigs on probe scanner but those who are awake will dock up and alt+tab to another game to wait you out. Some will fight but not when you have 20+ people on proper fleet and they can undock 5 - 10 people at most. But there are organized fleets on landlord's alliance level where everybody is welcome to join and people join them and have fun shooting hostiles so it's like everybody there is a sheep ready to be slaughtered.

Renting corp is there for PVE and indy stuff so expecting them to reship from skiffs and paladins into pvp doctrine is kind of naive to say at least. They went there to mine and rat and do POS alchemy and they pay for it - it's hard to have more clear indication of what they want to do in Eve.

Just my 2 cents :)

You can't just build and stockpile supercaps. They're a space coffin that needs a permanent character with over a years worth of training to sit in them. Even at around 50b for the ship and pilot, you're going to be limited by the number being trained and sold and then left unsubbed. It's not as simple as building it then caching it.

Pasta is a group primaerily operating out of delve npc space with the intention of making the life of who ever lives in delve as miserable as possible.
I'm not sure about their beginnings but a lot of them previously where in test and a favorite term of them is "Awoxing guarantees citizenship" which means if you awoxed an allymate for them you where allowed to join them.
They where specialized in small or solo combat but if you look at their killboard you'll see that they also don't shy away from fielding big toys.
While we where living in delve they would roam, hotdrop, or gatecamp the **** out of unexpecting ratters and while we where deployed somewhere else they would start grabbing money moons which we then had to take back from them. They also like bombing fleets very much.
Despite all this there was never any hate between us and they even helped us on special occasions.

One of their most famous pilots is wheniaminspace who can be seen on a lot of killmails from poor ratters with his cloaky sabre and is possibly one of the best bomber FCs in eve (but I only once had the pleasure of him FCing a bomber fleet I was in).

Nowadays they do a lot of stuff together with Black Legion I think.

Not really it will actually make ratting safer due to nobody hot dropping from the other side of new eden.

Well as we are talking about carebears that would make about every post in this regard non valid though sole .


Just saying

Move the post! Move the post!
WTH is "kinks"? I know that has to make sense to YOU. But, the rest of us earthlings are a bit...puzzled. Kinks?

Oh yes, the OP. After we get the report on shooting carebears in nullsec,
please tell us what the lunchroom is serving today.

On second thought...I really don't want to know what *kinks* is. Thanks just the same.

In my experience cloak camping renters, there is a standard process.

Step 1 involves you moving in

After a few hours of you hanging around they try to move systems (usually to places they aren't authorized to be under their rental contract). When I inevitably move in my alt/friends and camp every system in the constellation they will stay docked all day.


Then they convo you after about a day of camping and tell you this : "You will never drop on a member of my corp, feel free to stay as long as you want".

Within the next week they will lose a ratting ship or miner in an anom almost guaranteed.

Next they will try to run DED sites (again in systems they don't rent) which causes huge drama in the constellation. They will then complain to the landlords via evemails, take a look at PBLRD on eveskunk for some laughs. They will get dropped on gates as they move their DED ships around thinking the camper is too lazy to watch and coordinate to get them.

Usually after this stage they will leave. Most of those who will leave will leave sooner rather than later. Sometimes the landlords will move them to deep nul where they wont be camped as easily but that can be fixed within a few days of finding them.

The last renter standing can sometimes benefit from the camping. If everyone gets cleared out of the constellation or area they have the whole place basically to themselves for DEDs... but because most want to do AFKtar and carrier stuff they will just dogpile into a system, bring the mil index up and get camped again.

After phoebe it will be harder to harass renters by camping. Midpoint blops are dead, its just not worth doing anymore.

As for your question about new bears replacing the old, there are idiots who rent systems who have a camper logged in before they even sign the contract.


Also many renters will take the awoxing route and join up with PASTA. I was camped by Pizza when i started eve and I liked their tactics a lot so I joined up with them