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Who Gets All The Freighter Ganking Loot?

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admiral root
Red Galaxy
#81 - 2014-10-16 18:41:18 UTC
Princess Bride wrote:
So the bottom line is.... CODE fleet members don't get a share of the loot from the ships they gank.

Only management profits. Because ISK isn't everything... or something. Good to know.


Good job not reading / comprehending what's been said.

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Princess Bride
SharkNado
#82 - 2014-10-16 18:47:47 UTC
admiral root wrote:
Princess Bride wrote:
So the bottom line is.... CODE fleet members don't get a share of the loot from the ships they gank.

Only management profits. Because ISK isn't everything... or something. Good to know.


Good job not reading / comprehending what's been said.


Thanks. I too felt it was a fair and accurate summary of a ****-ton of tap-dancing spin.

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#83 - 2014-10-16 19:05:22 UTC
Princess Bride wrote:
admiral root wrote:
Princess Bride wrote:
So the bottom line is.... CODE fleet members don't get a share of the loot from the ships they gank.

Only management profits. Because ISK isn't everything... or something. Good to know.


Good job not reading / comprehending what's been said.


Thanks. I too felt it was a fair and accurate summary of a ****-ton of tap-dancing spin.


And why is everyone still so hung up on how space rich they are?

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Princess Bride
SharkNado
#84 - 2014-10-16 19:14:31 UTC
CALDARI CITIZEN 14330909 wrote:
Princess Bride wrote:
admiral root wrote:
Princess Bride wrote:
So the bottom line is.... CODE fleet members don't get a share of the loot from the ships they gank.

Only management profits. Because ISK isn't everything... or something. Good to know.


Good job not reading / comprehending what's been said.


Thanks. I too felt it was a fair and accurate summary of a ****-ton of tap-dancing spin.


And why is everyone still so hung up on how space rich they are?


That's a good question. If CODE's 'big shots" weren't so greedy and hung up on ISK, they'd be sharing a bit more than the cost of a T1 dessie with fleet members. It's so sad.

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admiral root
Red Galaxy
#85 - 2014-10-16 19:37:01 UTC
Princess Bride wrote:
That's a good question. If CODE's 'big shots" weren't so greedy and hung up on ISK, they'd be sharing a bit more than the cost of a T1 dessie with fleet members. It's so sad.


Yes, James is so greedy that he's spent more than two years giving isk away in the form of SRP.

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Princess Bride
SharkNado
#86 - 2014-10-16 20:12:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Princess Bride
admiral root wrote:
Princess Bride wrote:
That's a good question. If CODE's 'big shots" weren't so greedy and hung up on ISK, they'd be sharing a bit more than the cost of a T1 dessie with fleet members. It's so sad.


Yes, James is so greedy that he's spent more than two years giving isk away in the form of SRP.


Replacing T1 dessies? That were lost bringing in a LOT more ISK for him for a MASSIVE net profit?

Yeah, what a guy.

That's like applauding an oil company that makes billions drilling on someone's land but 'generously' pays to mow the grass around the rig.

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admiral root
Red Galaxy
#87 - 2014-10-16 20:19:45 UTC
Princess Bride wrote:
admiral root wrote:
Princess Bride wrote:
That's a good question. If CODE's 'big shots" weren't so greedy and hung up on ISK, they'd be sharing a bit more than the cost of a T1 dessie with fleet members. It's so sad.


Yes, James is so greedy that he's spent more than two years giving isk away in the form of SRP.


Replacing T1 dessies? That were lost bringing in a LOT more ISK for him for a MASSIVE net profit?

Yeah, what a guy.

That's like applauding an oil company that makes billions drilling on someone's land but 'generously' pays to mow the grass around the rig.


You're pretty clueless.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff

Princess Bride
SharkNado
#88 - 2014-10-16 20:23:30 UTC
admiral root wrote:
You're pretty clueless.


*yawn*

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admiral root
Red Galaxy
#89 - 2014-10-16 20:25:54 UTC
Pretty sure a statement of fact based on the evidence you've provided in this thread doesn't even come close to meeting the definition of an ad hom.

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Princess Bride
SharkNado
#90 - 2014-10-16 20:39:55 UTC
admiral root wrote:
Pretty sure a statement of fact based on the evidence you've provided in this thread doesn't even come close to meeting the definition of an ad hom.


And you call ME clueless. LolLol Yes, I bet you're 'pretty sure' about many things.

The bottom line is that the question asked was, "Who Gets All The Freighter Ganking Loot". The answer is, CODE's management gets the loot, minus some trivial T1 dessie reimbursements. All of the other spin and argument is irrelevant. For example, in no particular order:

1) It shouldn't matter who gets the loot. People are too hung up on ISK!
2) It shouldn't matter who gets the loot. Look at all the lulz and tears the fleet gets!
3) "Shares!" (lol)
4) It goes into the SRP! (When the SRP is only a tiny fraction of the ISK being made.)

And yet, here we see CODE's fan boys doing logical backflips to justify the practice. Frankly, that's what I find really amusing about the entire thread. If I was CODE I would simply say, "We keep most of the loot, because we organize it." But that's not being said. Instead, we've got pages and pages of arguments that are about as flimsy as saying "insults are not ad hominem because (reasons)!". Sorry if you resent the tl;dr, but I felt it was called for after wading through the pages of muck in response to a simple question.

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admiral root
Red Galaxy
#91 - 2014-10-16 20:42:48 UTC
I'm not so much a fanboy as I am a director of the alliance (ie: Code leadership). You have tinfoil whilst I have facts.

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Princess Bride
SharkNado
#92 - 2014-10-16 20:45:27 UTC
admiral root wrote:
I'm not so much a fanboy as I am a director of the alliance (ie: Code leadership). You have tinfoil whilst I have facts.


Seems you are as stingy with "facts" as you are with the loot. How much ISK has CODE made? How much has CODE given out in reimbursed T1 dessie hulls? We'll do the math.

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admiral root
Red Galaxy
#93 - 2014-10-16 20:49:18 UTC
You don't need my help if you want to do the math.

Go through the 100+ freighters that Loyal has killed in Uedama this month, total up the dropped loot to give you an upper limit on our income from the ganks (though some gets pinched by opportunists before we can get to it). Those killmails will also show you how many T1 and T2 cats, brutixes, taloses, etc we went through which will give you a rough idea of how much SRP was paid out. Subtract one from the other to give you a rough idea of how much is still in the SRP fund, or how much Loyal has paid out of his own pocket to provide quality content.

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Princess Bride
SharkNado
#94 - 2014-10-16 20:55:30 UTC
admiral root wrote:
You don't need my help if you want to do the math.

Go through the 100+ freighters that Loyal has killed in Uedama this month, total up the dropped loot to give you an upper limit on our income from the ganks (though some gets pinched by opportunists before we can get to it). Those killmails will also show you how many T1 and T2 cats, brutixes, taloses, etc we went through which will give you a rough idea of how much SRP was paid out. Subtract one from the other to give you a rough idea of how much is still in the SRP fund, or how much Loyal has paid out of his own pocket to provide quality content.


So as a CODE bigshot leader, you don't know those two simple figures? Wow. You said you were the man with the facts, while accusing me of alleging a "conspiracy" by stating the simple fact that you guys don't share loot with the pilots in your gank fleets. Just reimbs for the stuff they lose making that loot happen for you. I mean, if I'm dead wrong, and you share the loot, then by all means state that. If not, it's just a statement of fact, unchallenged by CODE's leadership. Not really a tinfoil hat kinda moment.

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admiral root
Red Galaxy
#95 - 2014-10-16 20:59:33 UTC
It's not that I don't know. You want information that's publicly available and I think you should go look it up yourself instead of asking someone to do it for you. Either way, you're not a member of the New Order so it's really none of your business, it's just another case of outsiders feeling that we somehow answer to them.

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Princess Bride
SharkNado
#96 - 2014-10-16 21:41:35 UTC
admiral root wrote:
It's not that I don't know. You want information that's publicly available and I think you should go look it up yourself instead of asking someone to do it for you. Either way, you're not a member of the New Order so it's really none of your business, it's just another case of outsiders feeling that we somehow answer to them.


Whatever lets you sleep at night bro.

If I had a scam going as profitable as CODE I would be proud of it. I mean, you can't seriously think that by confirming that you don't share the loot, outside of your SRP, will somehow mean people will stop showing up, can you? If they've flown with you even once, they already know that you horde the loot to yourselves and toss them a mere reimb for their cheap ship.

How about an even simpler question for the "man with the facts": How much ISK is in CODE's SRP?

Can you share that fact with the public, or is that also an Opsec issue for you?

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Paranoid Loyd
#97 - 2014-10-16 21:43:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
That number is displayed on the website.

You're really grasping at straws here and look quite foolish, as usual.

You are obviously driven by making isk just like Petre en Thielles and let that get in the way of reality. Not everyone cares about making isk.

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Princess Bride
SharkNado
#98 - 2014-10-16 21:46:14 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
That number is displayed on the website.

You're really grasping at straws here and look quite foolish, as usual.


So, you know me from before? Remind me, as I don't recall you at all.

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Princess Bride
SharkNado
#99 - 2014-10-16 21:47:11 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
That number is displayed on the website.

You're really grasping at straws here and look quite foolish, as usual.

You are quite obviously driven by making isk just like Petre en Thielles and let that get in the way of reality. Not everyone cares about making isk.


How many edits are you planning? Let us know when you're done perhaps?

If the issue isn't the ISK, then why isn't the ISK shared with the fleet?

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Paranoid Loyd
#100 - 2014-10-16 21:47:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
You are as irrelevant as I am. I know you from the continual sperg you post when you obviously don't know what you are talking about.

It is shared, just not the way you feel it should be which is 100% irrelevant.

CODE. losses show as 664 bil and donations are listed at 452 bil. Even if you completely ignore the reimbursements to non-alliance members this still shows a 212 bil deficit. Where do you think the isk to cover this deficit comes from?

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