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zar dada
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
#61 - 2014-10-16 17:37:27 UTC  |  Edited by: zar dada
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KB

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zar dada
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
#62 - 2014-10-16 17:40:45 UTC
CCP FoxFour wrote:
So a final post, as this topic has been talked about in a few threads (one nice threadnaught) before:

    ....
  • For those concerns for "no second monitor" or "playing fullscreen" please see overlays.


....


Overwolf overlays has never worked for me an my 3 yr old graphics card.

WTB programmer to write a better overlay?

KB

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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#63 - 2014-10-16 18:16:02 UTC
A tip for people who don't know:

Fixed window mode is like the child of full screen, and windowed. In may ways, the best of both.

You get a window, with no borders, which takes up your entire screen. You can alt-tab freely, without the window minimizing, so if you have a browser window, you can have it at less than full screen, just floating on top of the eve window.

(I use it with my three eve clients, running on three different screens. So I can see them all at the same time, looking like they're full screen, but able to freely move my mouse between them.)

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Lugh Crow-Slave
#64 - 2014-10-16 19:18:35 UTC
CCP FoxFour wrote:
The IGB is not getting updated, once CREST is up to par the IGB will be removed.


Don't do to the IGB what you did to the juke box please

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#65 - 2014-10-16 19:45:54 UTC
CCP FoxFour wrote:
The IGB is not getting updated, once CREST is up to par the IGB will be removed.

Yaaaaay for alt tabing! Pirate

Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
zar dada
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
#66 - 2014-10-16 19:59:03 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
A tip for people who don't know:

Fixed window mode is like the child of full screen, and windowed. In may ways, the best of both.

You get a window, with no borders, which takes up your entire screen. You can alt-tab freely, without the window minimizing, so if you have a browser window, you can have it at less than full screen, just floating on top of the eve window.

(I use it with my three eve clients, running on three different screens. So I can see them all at the same time, looking like they're full screen, but able to freely move my mouse between them.)


Thanks I wasn't aware of the fixed window setting. I'll give it a try.

KB

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Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
#67 - 2014-10-16 20:38:10 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:


Fixed window mode is like the child of full screen, and windowed. In many ways, the best of both.

You get a window, with no borders, which takes up your entire screen. You can alt-tab freely, without the window minimizing, so if you have a browser window, you can have it at less than full screen, just floating on top of the eve window.

It does, in some configurations, have a drawback.

I also use up to three clients, with three monitors, but on three computers and using Input Director to share mouse/keyboard between them.
(When it works, it's no difference from one seriously funky computer with three monitors).

But it sometimes shows the difference between fixed window and full screen.

- Full screen has no delay when switching between screens/computer, but a serious delay if you alt-tab.
- Fixed window has no delay when alt-tab, but serious delay when switching between computers (most likely due to host computer trying to figure out what window is on top and where the mouse is supposed to be active).

But for alt-tab, fixed window is king.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#68 - 2014-10-17 08:09:26 UTC
Am I the only one here that just uses normal windowed mode? I don't mind having a title bar and a taskbar, in fact the latter is useful for switching between programs.

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Lady Rift
His Majesty's Privateers
#69 - 2014-10-17 08:21:24 UTC
window mode cause I run 2-3 clients most of the time and my 2 other screens are for more important things than eve. Its rare i find the need for eve to be full screen and in the smallest window you can fit most of the important stuff of eve on one screen.
MsArj
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#70 - 2014-10-17 08:51:19 UTC
+1 for updating the ingame browser, WH mapping is NEEDED.

(and the spreadsheets from googledocs:P)
zar dada
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
#71 - 2014-10-17 11:37:49 UTC
CCP FoxFour wrote:
So a final post, as this topic has been talked about in a few threads (one nice threadnaught) before:

  • The IGB is not being removed anytime soon
  • It's also not getting any love
  • When we do remove it there will be a nice long conversation at that time
  • Browsers are a very complicated thing, they receive a lot of updates and change very fast, they are also a GIANT security threat to your machine.
  • There are plenty of options for once we remove the IGB still getting a browser in your client, such as the linked Overwolf overlay. Since those things just use your browser, there is no delay for getting updates.
  • We could spend our time keeping the IGB, but when things such as Overwolf and other overlays exist, our time is better spent on the spaceship game.
  • We wont remove the IGB until CREST can take over the gameplay functionality.
  • For those concerns for "no second monitor" or "playing fullscreen" please see overlays.


This will all come up again when we actually go to remove the IGB, so until then, fly safe guys.


For sites that require IGB to function such as

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/radar
https://eveeye.com/

And wormhole sites, like siggy or tripwire, will CREST allow these sites to work? How will CREST report your information to an external browser? Similar to how Trusting this website works in IGB.

Also FIXED WINDOW is awesome thanks CSM Steve Ronuken

KB

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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#72 - 2014-10-17 15:36:01 UTC
You go to a website

You authenticate, and while doing so, approve its request to access your position information by crest.

Every so often, the server polls the TQ to find out where you are. (you can have your browser closed by this time, as it requires no further interaction. Though it could also be triggered from the client side as a refresh or similar.)

If you want something under your control, then there could be a client side application (possibly built into something like Evemon, or something else) which you can get to update a number of websites with your current position, while it's running.

I can see benefits of both (no software needed for the first, precise control for the second with less load at server level. And easier for multiple characters)

Heh. It's the kind of thing that I might write (with limited interaction options, it's not a bad idea for a first application)

Woo! CSM XI!

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Wolf Incaelum
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#73 - 2014-10-17 18:00:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Wolf Incaelum
Edit: Reply removed.

ANARCHYFOREVAAARRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!
Mharius Skjem
Guardians of the Underworld
#74 - 2014-10-17 19:11:12 UTC
Psyrelle wrote:
Just had some not so fun experiences with the ingame browser causing it to crash whenever trying to use google docs.

Back and forth talk with GM's Gave me the info that the browser is not getting updated unless more people has an interest in it.

Therefore my idea is to get as many people on here interested in getting our awesome browser updated.

Here is some stuff I would love to work in the ingame browser.

Flash
Java
Google Docs (yay for accessing ones spreadsheets ingame instead of having to alt tab back and forth.

Anything else any of you guys would love to get implemented into the ingame browser?
Any of you want the browser to stay updated?

Just my thoughts.
Psyrelle.


We lost the jukebox the same way so don't pin your heart on it.

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Daimian Mercer
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#75 - 2014-10-17 20:53:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Daimian Mercer
CCP FoxFour is correct about wh-mappers still being able to function.

CREST can provide the exact same back-end functionality wh-mappers need/use. CCP FoxFour has been doing an awesome job with the API and CREST and I have full confidence in his ability to help the wh-mappers adapt for when the IGB is gone.

When I heard then IGB was getting removed I was jumping for joy. Trying to make any web app work in multiple browsers is hard enough with just the big 3 (Chrome, FF & IE), even if the IGB was updated it wouldn't take long for it to get behind again.

Just R-E-L-A-X .. CREST & Overwolf will be a great solution to the IGB. (or some other overlay system)

Creator of Tripwire mapping tool - EVE-O thread

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Sal Landry
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#76 - 2014-10-17 21:44:56 UTC
Daimian Mercer wrote:
CCP FoxFour is correct about wh-mappers still being able to function.

CREST can provide the exact same back-end functionality wh-mappers need/use. CCP FoxFour has been doing an awesome job with the API and CREST and I have full confidence in his ability to help the wh-mappers adapt for when the IGB is gone.

When I heard then IGB was getting removed I was jumping for joy. Trying to make any web app work in multiple browsers is hard enough with just the big 3 (Chrome, FF & IE), even if the IGB was updated it wouldn't take long for it to get behind again.

Just R-E-L-A-X .. CREST & Overwolf will be a great solution to the IGB. (or some other overlay system)

Well thank God its use cases will be preserved for literally the 1% of Eve that lives in wormholes Roll

You've got yours, **** everyone else
Daimian Mercer
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#77 - 2014-10-17 21:53:41 UTC
Sal Landry wrote:

Well thank God its use cases will be preserved for literally the 1% of Eve that lives in wormholes Roll

You've got yours, **** everyone else


Last time I saw the yearly EVE analytics wormholes made up well over 10% of EVE population, just saying.

I couldn't speak for the other web apps out there obviously - but I have no doubt everything they use will be available in CREST. I have done the research and CCP probing regarding my tool's needs, maybe one of the creators of your favorite tools that your so worried about could chime in?

EVE is such a friendly place isn't it Smile

Creator of Tripwire mapping tool - EVE-O thread

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Lugh Crow-Slave
#78 - 2014-10-18 03:21:26 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
You go to a website

You authenticate, and while doing so, approve its request to access your position information by crest.

Every so often, the server polls the TQ to find out where you are. (you can have your browser closed by this time, as it requires no further interaction. Though it could also be triggered from the client side as a refresh or similar.)

If you want something under your control, then there could be a client side application (possibly built into something like Evemon, or something else) which you can get to update a number of websites with your current position, while it's running.

I can see benefits of both (no software needed for the first, precise control for the second with less load at server level. And easier for multiple characters)

Heh. It's the kind of thing that I might write (with limited interaction options, it's not a bad idea for a first application)


or we can do this all from in game so i don't need to have as many applications open....

removing features that aren't detrimental is not a good idea

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#79 - 2014-10-18 09:50:04 UTC
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
You go to a website

You authenticate, and while doing so, approve its request to access your position information by crest.

Every so often, the server polls the TQ to find out where you are. (you can have your browser closed by this time, as it requires no further interaction. Though it could also be triggered from the client side as a refresh or similar.)

If you want something under your control, then there could be a client side application (possibly built into something like Evemon, or something else) which you can get to update a number of websites with your current position, while it's running.

I can see benefits of both (no software needed for the first, precise control for the second with less load at server level. And easier for multiple characters)

Heh. It's the kind of thing that I might write (with limited interaction options, it's not a bad idea for a first application)


or we can do this all from in game so i don't need to have as many applications open....

removing features that aren't detrimental is not a good idea



The problem is, it /can/ be detrimental. Keeping a browser updated isn't a simple job. They need to wait for an upstream vendor to update their code, then fold their own changes into it, making sure it doesn't open up any security holes.

Sure, you and I aren't foolish enough to do general browsing in the IGB, but I'm unwilling to extend that to everyone (I do IT support work. 'What do you mean, I haven't had a rich relative die in nigeria?')

Woo! CSM XI!

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Manssell
OmiHyperMultiNationalDrunksConglomerate
#80 - 2014-10-22 14:23:21 UTC
Amarisen Gream wrote:
CCP FoxFour wrote:
So a final post, as this topic has been talked about in a few threads (one nice threadnaught) before:

  • The IGB is not being removed anytime soon
  • It's also not getting any love
  • When we do remove it there will be a nice long conversation at that time
  • Browsers are a very complicated thing, they receive a lot of updates and change very fast, they are also a GIANT security threat to your machine.
  • There are plenty of options for once we remove the IGB still getting a browser in your client, such as the linked Overwolf overlay. Since those things just use your browser, there is no delay for getting updates.
  • We could spend our time keeping the IGB, but when things such as Overwolf and other overlays exist, our time is better spent on the spaceship game.
  • We wont remove the IGB until CREST can take over the gameplay functionality.
  • For those concerns for "no second monitor" or "playing fullscreen" please see overlays.


This will all come up again when we actually go to remove the IGB, so until then, fly safe guys.



Sounds great.

Just a question?

Is there an overlay that works on Mac OS X?


Nope. Just like there has never been a TS3 overlay for mac either. CCP will just point to "Overwolf and other overlays" that are PC only as proof all is cool and wash their hands of it while ignoring that once again mac users will loose functionality with the change. Then add what I'm sure will be a bit of PC master race d-baggery thrown at us on forums if we complain for good measure.