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Who Gets All The Freighter Ganking Loot?

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412nv Yaken
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#61 - 2014-10-14 13:28:48 UTC  |  Edited by: 412nv Yaken
All isk goes back into the code, either replacement ships, shares in the new order.

Also when ur ganking billions you get to have some fun ships like smart bombings bs's and have some fun like the link below.

edit link that work's.
https://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=25582790

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Dmitri Dracov
Flames Of Chaos
Great Wildlands Conservation Society
#62 - 2014-10-14 13:45:38 UTC
412nv Yaken wrote:
All isk goes back into the code, either replacement ships, shares in the new order.

Also when ur ganking billions you get to have some fun ships like smart bombings bs's and have some fun like the link below.

edit link that work's.
https://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=25582790


Nice work, good to see a multi boxer get smashed.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#63 - 2014-10-14 14:00:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Petre en Thielles wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
If the people buying shares are getting what they paid for, who is the victim of the scam?


They aren't getting paid. No dividends are offered by CODE.

CODE. pays dividends out every time they gank someone, the fact that dividends are paid out in lols and tears instead of isk is irrelevant. I consider my minuscule share purchase a good investment, it's paid for itself many times in lols and I even get to make isk from it occasionally via informed decisions regarding the market.

412nv Yaken wrote:
All isk goes back into the code, either replacement ships, shares in the new order.

Also when ur ganking billions you get to have some fun ships like smart bombings bs's and have some fun like the link below.

edit link that work's.
https://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=25582790
Disco Inferno seems appropriate.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Christopher Mabata
Northern Accounts and Systems
#64 - 2014-10-14 14:13:12 UTC
Petre en Thielles wrote:
Christian Lionbate wrote:
To be fair he isn't in CODE he's a Goon.

Roll


You think CODE and Goon aren't run by the same people? So cute.


Im in CODE. fleets all the time on my alt and sometimes with this toon and im not a goon
#Conspiracy

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Nostromo Fidanza
Blueprint Mania
#65 - 2014-10-14 18:36:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Nostromo Fidanza
I have done a small amount of ganking on another character who is not in the new order at all. I asked James 315 to reimburse me for the Catalyst losses and he did so no questions asked. I made sure to link the killmails of each Retriever and Covertor Smile

So the share purchases are not a scam, they go to reimburse pilots who lose many more Catalyst than I have so they can patrol high sec for bot aspirants.

Folks, how are you getting upset over a small 10 mil permit? That's nothing. That's one half-decent low-sec relic site that you completed in 5 minutes, c'mon.
Nostromo Fidanza
Blueprint Mania
#66 - 2014-10-14 18:40:41 UTC
Petre en Thielles wrote:
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:
My first six permit sales were to a goon alt whose orca we ganked, and I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be accepted to the CFC if I applied. Contrary to popular belief, new order players come from all over eve.

All share purchases go to running SRP programs for normal miner ganking. Freighter revenue is rolled into new ships for freighter ganking, and currently profits are being funneled into share purchases.


A known goon sticking up for CODE? what a surprise! Do you honestly think everyone doesn't know who you are?

You just agreed with me too. You are funneling ISK into share purchases, which is ISK into goon leadership wallets. That was my entire point. I can talk slower next time if you didn't get that.

Tell me more, please.

Paranoid Loyd wrote:
What part of "No one buying shares is expecting anything back" didn't you understand?


What part of "CODE has made over 400 bil in share sales" don't you understand?

Are you that ignorant of how to make ISK in this game?


Also it is people like this guy which draw so many to CODE and ganking. In the Markee Dragon intervivew of the Code. diplo he said something like "yes, we enjoy the white knights because they make it more fun, more challenging, interactive, etc."

I thought this was such a reasonable response compared to the Freighter pilot who was giving the repressed rage response of "scam, extortion, don't pay etc." lolz
Lady Areola Fappington
#67 - 2014-10-15 01:34:01 UTC
Nostromo Fidanza wrote:


Also it is people like this guy which draw so many to CODE and ganking. In the Markee Dragon intervivew of the Code. diplo he said something like "yes, we enjoy the white knights because they make it more fun, more challenging, interactive, etc."

I thought this was such a reasonable response compared to the Freighter pilot who was giving the repressed rage response of "scam, extortion, don't pay etc." lolz



It's the circle of ISK. Gank leads to rage. Rage leads to Tears. Tears lead to Funny Story, Funny story leads to Donations. Donations lead to new Gank Ships. Gank ships lead to Ganks.

The 4SRS anti-gankers don't seem to grasp that every time they ragepost, throw fits, demand nerfs, etc, they're just feeding into that cycle.

Given the option between a 10mil permit sale, and a raging non-compliant miner, CODE will pick the miner any day. The permit is just a hook for future gameplay. A person raging now is worth so much more than 10mil isk.

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide

Milan Nantucket
Doomheim
#68 - 2014-10-15 12:38:21 UTC
Amyclas Amatin wrote:
We gank everything, even if it isn't profitable.

And we give out the equipment for the ganks. The loot goes towards more ships. We're usually doing this on gank alts or pvp alts.

I'm afk mining in deep deklein while ganking.

If you want to gank for profit, belligerent undesirables still does it that way.


So while your enforcing the CODE your also breaking the CODE?
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#69 - 2014-10-15 12:41:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Milan Nantucket wrote:
Amyclas Amatin wrote:
We gank everything, even if it isn't profitable.

And we give out the equipment for the ganks. The loot goes towards more ships. We're usually doing this on gank alts or pvp alts.

I'm afk mining in deep deklein while ganking.

If you want to gank for profit, belligerent undesirables still does it that way.


So while your enforcing the CODE your also breaking the CODE?
Which part of New Order of Highsec did you fail to comprehend?

While CODE. may make the odd trip elsewhere to shoot at people, their main area of operations is highsec, it's up to nullsec residents to police their own space.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Milan Nantucket
Doomheim
#70 - 2014-10-15 13:00:20 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Tyyler DURden wrote:
I need to train reading comprehension to V so I don't make an ass of myself


The code only pertains to high-sec. It mentions that on multiple occasions, read it again and maybe you will understand.


This invalidates your hypothesis:

http://www.minerbumping.com/2014/10/at-whom-permission-to-take.html Low sec


http://www.minerbumping.com/2014/08/down-rabbit-hole.html -wormhole

Im sure there is a nullbear gank in there too somewhere.
Petre en Thielles
Doomheim
#71 - 2014-10-15 13:44:16 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Petre en Thielles wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
If the people buying shares are getting what they paid for, who is the victim of the scam?


They aren't getting paid. No dividends are offered by CODE.

CODE. pays dividends out every time they gank someone, the fact that dividends are paid out in lols and tears instead of isk is irrelevant. I consider my minuscule share purchase a good investment, it's paid for itself many times in lols and I even get to make isk from it occasionally via informed decisions regarding the market.

412nv Yaken wrote:
All isk goes back into the code, either replacement ships, shares in the new order.

Also when ur ganking billions you get to have some fun ships like smart bombings bs's and have some fun like the link below.

edit link that work's.
https://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=25582790
Disco Inferno seems appropriate.



Again, my point went over your head. The shares purchased are flat-out donations to CODE leadership. That is over 400 bil that people have donated to CODE's leaders. That is the heart of the scam. Anyone who has bought shares has been scammed.

Christopher Mabata wrote:
Im in CODE. fleets all the time on my alt and sometimes with this toon and im not a goon
#Conspiracy


Read closely. I said CODE was run by goons. Not that all CODE members are goons. The people who got the 400+ bil they have made in share sales are goons.

It isn't a conspiracy that 440,876 shares have been sold at 1 mil ISK/share.
Black Pedro
Mine.
#72 - 2014-10-15 14:21:49 UTC
Petre en Thielles wrote:

Again, my point went over your head. The shares purchased are flat-out donations to CODE leadership. That is over 400 bil that people have donated to CODE's leaders. That is the heart of the scam. Anyone who has bought shares has been scammed.

Christopher Mabata wrote:
Im in CODE. fleets all the time on my alt and sometimes with this toon and im not a goon
#Conspiracy


Read closely. I said CODE was run by goons. Not that all CODE members are goons. The people who got the 400+ bil they have made in share sales are goons.

It isn't a conspiracy that 440,876 shares have been sold at 1 mil ISK/share.


How is it a scam if people donate ISK to fund what is essentially a ship replacement program for suicide gankers, with full knowledge that the dividends will come back to them in non-monetary form? Dividends such as tears, blog posts, destruction of trade goods they might produce, destruction of their competitors, etc.

There is plenty of evidence that the New Order exists and is fulfilling its mission everyday, which is in part funded by these share purchases. Everyone with valid reimbursement requests gets paid - at least I have never heard anyone suggest otherwise. Therefore, I see no scam here at all. Can you let me know what I am missing?

Further, the CODE. Alliance has lost over 660B ISK in ships according to their killboard. Someone has to pay for these losses. Clearly not all of those were lost in suicide ganks, but also the New Order SRP is open to those beyond the alliance. In any case, it seem perfectly reasonable to me that the 400B+ ISK in share purchases has been spent on gank ships. So again, where is the scam in all of this?




Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#73 - 2014-10-15 14:25:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Petre en Thielles wrote:
Again, my point went over your head. The shares purchased are flat-out donations to CODE leadership. That is over 400 bil that people have donated to CODE's leaders. That is the heart of the scam. Anyone who has bought shares has been scammed.
How is it a scam when all of the people who purchase "shares" already know prior to purchase that it is actually a donation to fund the New Orders ship replacement program?

For it to be a scam there has to be deceit, James is pretty upfront about how he uses the proceeds from shares.

You appear to be getting hung up on the word shares, don't; it's used as a figure of speech, not literally.

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Paranoid Loyd
#74 - 2014-10-15 15:36:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Milan Nantucket wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Tyyler DURden wrote:
I need to train reading comprehension to V so I don't make an ass of myself


The code only pertains to high-sec. It mentions that on multiple occasions, read it again and maybe you will understand.


This invalidates your hypothesis:

http://www.minerbumping.com/2014/10/at-whom-permission-to-take.html Low sec


http://www.minerbumping.com/2014/08/down-rabbit-hole.html -wormhole

Im sure there is a nullbear gank in there too somewhere.


I am not talking about how the code is interpreted by agents or the stories that result from it, I am talking about the actual code. Your argument is no different than arguing that the speed limit on the freeway is 80 mph because some people drive that fast.

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The Conference Elite
The Conference
#75 - 2014-10-15 18:39:39 UTC
I love how the argument about why CODE. is bad has morphed into my space wallet is more space rich than your space wallet.
I play this game for fun and entertainment, not as a career. When I purchased shares, I never expected any form of dividends to be paid out as it clearly states, all I expect is to have a reimbursement fund and for cats to be provided when I am adding player made content. While I might be the richest person in EVE, I would like to think that I would fall into at least 'middle class' regarding my assets & ISK. This being said, I have no problem giving away a few PLEX or hundreds of million of ISK every month to help fund and sponsor an in game entity that provides the previously mention fun and entertainment factor. I rationalize this in game ISK expense along the lines of 'POS fuel'... I have never expected to be rewarded with loot & ISK from various endeavors that I have participated in the CODE. I just want to have fun, be entertained, and hopefully be provided with cats. Just ask yourself this, if we were in this strictly to become space rich, not only would that make us like bot aspirant miners, but why would we attack empty freighters?

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Tear Jar
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#76 - 2014-10-15 23:28:46 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Nostromo Fidanza wrote:


Also it is people like this guy which draw so many to CODE and ganking. In the Markee Dragon intervivew of the Code. diplo he said something like "yes, we enjoy the white knights because they make it more fun, more challenging, interactive, etc."

I thought this was such a reasonable response compared to the Freighter pilot who was giving the repressed rage response of "scam, extortion, don't pay etc." lolz



It's the circle of ISK. Gank leads to rage. Rage leads to Tears. Tears lead to Funny Story, Funny story leads to Donations. Donations lead to new Gank Ships. Gank ships lead to Ganks.

The 4SRS anti-gankers don't seem to grasp that every time they ragepost, throw fits, demand nerfs, etc, they're just feeding into that cycle.

Given the option between a 10mil permit sale, and a raging non-compliant miner, CODE will pick the miner any day. The permit is just a hook for future gameplay. A person raging now is worth so much more than 10mil isk.


If every miner and hauler in highsec bought a permit, it would be cheaper than 1/10th of the damage we have done.

Of course, then they would have to stop afk mining/hauling, which many just refuse to do.
Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#77 - 2014-10-16 04:31:22 UTC
Milan Nantucket wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Tyyler DURden wrote:
I need to train reading comprehension to V so I don't make an ass of myself


The code only pertains to high-sec. It mentions that on multiple occasions, read it again and maybe you will understand.


This invalidates your hypothesis:

http://www.minerbumping.com/2014/10/at-whom-permission-to-take.html Low sec


http://www.minerbumping.com/2014/08/down-rabbit-hole.html -wormhole

Im sure there is a nullbear gank in there too somewhere.


To be fair, CODE. did invade Deklein once and almost killed a Roqual, but we dropped supers or something.

For more information on the New Order of High-Sec, please visit: http://www.minerbumping.com/

Remember that whenever you have a bad day in EVE, the correct reponse is "Thank you CCP, may I please have another?"

Nostromo Fidanza
Blueprint Mania
#78 - 2014-10-16 17:29:49 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Nostromo Fidanza wrote:


Also it is people like this guy which draw so many to CODE and ganking. In the Markee Dragon intervivew of the Code. diplo he said something like "yes, we enjoy the white knights because they make it more fun, more challenging, interactive, etc."

I thought this was such a reasonable response compared to the Freighter pilot who was giving the repressed rage response of "scam, extortion, don't pay etc." lolz



It's the circle of ISK. Gank leads to rage. Rage leads to Tears. Tears lead to Funny Story, Funny story leads to Donations. Donations lead to new Gank Ships. Gank ships lead to Ganks.

The 4SRS anti-gankers don't seem to grasp that every time they ragepost, throw fits, demand nerfs, etc, they're just feeding into that cycle.

Given the option between a 10mil permit sale, and a raging non-compliant miner, CODE will pick the miner any day. The permit is just a hook for future gameplay. A person raging now is worth so much more than 10mil isk.


I guess I don't get the rage. I have lost ships stupidly. On my other character "Marseillefrog" I lost 1b in BPO's because I went afk coming into JIta. It was a dumb mistake. Yes I was kind of upset about it but then I realized it's a game and it was my mistake anyway so try better next time right? Anyway, I think CODE should be left alone.
Nostromo Fidanza
Blueprint Mania
#79 - 2014-10-16 17:31:24 UTC
Tear Jar wrote:
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Nostromo Fidanza wrote:


Also it is people like this guy which draw so many to CODE and ganking. In the Markee Dragon intervivew of the Code. diplo he said something like "yes, we enjoy the white knights because they make it more fun, more challenging, interactive, etc."

I thought this was such a reasonable response compared to the Freighter pilot who was giving the repressed rage response of "scam, extortion, don't pay etc." lolz



It's the circle of ISK. Gank leads to rage. Rage leads to Tears. Tears lead to Funny Story, Funny story leads to Donations. Donations lead to new Gank Ships. Gank ships lead to Ganks.

The 4SRS anti-gankers don't seem to grasp that every time they ragepost, throw fits, demand nerfs, etc, they're just feeding into that cycle.

Given the option between a 10mil permit sale, and a raging non-compliant miner, CODE will pick the miner any day. The permit is just a hook for future gameplay. A person raging now is worth so much more than 10mil isk.


If every miner and hauler in highsec bought a permit, it would be cheaper than 1/10th of the damage we have done.

Of course, then they would have to stop afk mining/hauling, which many just refuse to do.


Tear Jar you bring up an interesting point that I've wondered about. How many refuse to pay for the permit because they think it's extortion, scam, etc. and how many refuse because they want to continue bot aspirant behavior and afk mine? I know it makes no difference to the ganker just curious.
Princess Bride
SharkNado
#80 - 2014-10-16 18:38:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Princess Bride
So the bottom line is.... CODE fleet members don't get a share of the loot from the ships they gank. They do, however, get their near-worthless catalysts reimbursed.

Only management profits. Because ISK isn't everything... or something. Good to know.

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