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About the Remap X-max present

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stoicfaux
#61 - 2011-12-13 15:22:18 UTC
Lors Dornick wrote:
CCP Guard wrote:
The remap gift is being looked into, we should have news for you shortly. Thank you for your patience!

Thanks for being clear, admitting that you don't know and getting back to get the facts.

I for one sure like this kind of corporate communication;)


No, no, no. You're doing it wrong. Allow me:

Not having an answer to an "obvious" question about gift remaps implies that CCP employees who play Eve aren't worried about remaps. Anyone who isn't concerned about remaps either can get remaps at will, has all stats maxed, or can get skills instantly. Thus CCP players are cheating (or cheating even more, depending on your point of view) because their characters benefit from an extreme in-game training advantage!

It's a scandal, I tell you!



Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Ghoest
#62 - 2011-12-13 15:27:30 UTC
Maybe CCP could let us trade our saved up remaps for plex.

Wherever You Went - Here You Are
Mioelnir
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#63 - 2011-12-13 15:29:57 UTC
CCP Guard wrote:
The remap gift is being looked into, we should have news for you shortly. Thank you for your patience!

Do. Not. Remove.
Jarin Arenos
Card Shark Industries
#64 - 2011-12-13 16:01:39 UTC
Confirming remap has currently been removed from the list of options... Evil

But I'm not CCP Soundwave, so what do I know?
Sentient Blade
Crisis Atmosphere
Coalition of the Unfortunate
#65 - 2011-12-13 16:10:03 UTC
Jarin Arenos wrote:
Confirming remap has currently been removed from the list of options... Evil


Confirmed. The ****?

If I don't get my two stacked remaps come January I'm going to be pissy.
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War
#66 - 2011-12-13 16:10:54 UTC
Free remap was way too generous anyway. The point of having stats at all seems to be pretty moot nowadays.

I for one would gladly take my ca-2 instead Big smile

"Being supporters of free speech and free and open [CSM] elections... we removed Fon Revedhort from eligibility". CCP, April 2013.
Screenlag
Armaggedon Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#67 - 2011-12-13 16:13:31 UTC
haha, I was just about to ask what this error message meant when I couldn't find the remap after pressing continue. oh well, it's not like I could demand anything after crucible, I'm just to happy with eve right now lol.
Jarin Arenos
Card Shark Industries
#68 - 2011-12-13 16:14:44 UTC
I'm just irritated that it apparently WAS on the list, but got removed before I got there. Waiting for CCP Guard to return before I get properly pissy about it though.

But I'm not CCP Soundwave, so what do I know?
Darryl Cotton
#69 - 2011-12-13 16:15:10 UTC
Thanks everyone who bragged that they had 4 already *cough* akita
Jeami
Doomheim
#70 - 2011-12-13 16:19:28 UTC
What happens if we already picked the remap?
Mysi
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#71 - 2011-12-13 16:20:22 UTC
Maybe it's just temp disabled while they get a response to the OP question?

I just tried to select it for myself and it is not in the list however.

Patience is a virtue people...it's not the 22nd yet.
Mysi
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#72 - 2011-12-13 16:20:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Mysi
However if they are gone forever, keep this list in mind when deciding...

http://jestertrek.blogspot.com/2011/12/whats-it-worth-to-you.html
Beaches
Doomheim
#73 - 2011-12-13 16:24:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Beaches
EVERYONE FILE A PETITION!!!

I already picked the remap and now I won't get christmas.

Opening all of my petitions.

And you poor saps never got a chance to get a remap because you were too late, unjust.
stoicfaux
#74 - 2011-12-13 16:25:51 UTC  |  Edited by: stoicfaux
Jarin Arenos wrote:
Confirming remap has currently been removed from the list of options... Evil


Ugh, well this is going to get ugly.

If the remap is added back but is morphed into a remap timer reset, people will get cranky.

If the removal is permanent, people will get cranky. People will then whine about aurum being the only 'logical' choice thus prompting people to replay the Nex store/Incarna drama, or how the free blocks crash the market, or how some gifts are more valuable, etc., and they will flood the forums with their righteous indignation.

If the remap is added back as a proper 2nd remap, then people who already selected their gift will need to be reset, which will result in petitions by people who got the "wrong" gift because they were unaware of the reset or weren't able to log back in to re-select their gift which then requires the already busy CCP brain trust to formulate a clear, formal policy on gift "resets/refunds" and have that policy implemented consistently by all GMs, which simply means that General Discussion will be filled with countless threads by a small but vocal group of players angry about getting screwed on the Christmas Gift.

tl;dr - CCP should have gotten feedback before going live with the gift list.

tl;dr;P.S. - CCP should know by now that most Eve players prefer and affiliate more with the pre-change-of-heart Grinch.

tl;dr;P.P.S. - Nothing is free. Even free gifts have a price and unintended consequences.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Bryant21
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#75 - 2011-12-13 16:36:20 UTC
I am sure all this will be cleared up soon™
Wyte Ragnarok
#76 - 2011-12-13 16:38:23 UTC
I'm busy crying. I really want a remap :( it's the only thing I could care about in that list :supersadface:
JoostSkywalker
Lionheart Investments
#77 - 2011-12-13 16:41:43 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Jarin Arenos wrote:
Confirming remap has currently been removed from the list of options... Evil


Ugh, well this is going to get ugly.

If the remap is added back but is morphed into a remap timer reset, people will get cranky.

If the removal is permanent, people will get cranky. People will then whine about aurum being the only 'logical' choice thus prompting people to replay the Nex store/Incarna drama, or how the free blocks crash the market, or how some gifts are more valuable, etc., and they will flood the forums with their righteous indignation.

If the remap is added back as a proper 2nd remap, then people who already selected their gift will need to be reset, which will result in petitions by people who got the "wrong" gift because they were unaware of the reset or weren't able to log back in to re-select their gift which then requires the already busy CCP brain trust to formulate a clear, formal policy on gift "resets/refunds" and have that policy implemented consistently by all GMs, which simply means that General Discussion will be filled with countless threads by a small but vocal group of players angry about getting screwed on the Christmas Gift.

tl;dr - CCP should have gotten feedback before going live with the gift list.

tl;dr;P.S. - CCP should know by now that most Eve players prefer and affiliate more with the pre-change-of-heart Grinch.

tl;dr;P.P.S. - Nothing is free. Even free gifts have a price and unintended consequences.



Remap is the only thing that does not influence market on this list, a remap just saves yah time on getting skills. Since people already take into account that you only have a certain amount of remaps the only people who probably will take most benefit out of it are new people who screw up with remaps because the tutorial tells them straight away how to remap and that they should do that.
Or old players who only play 1 account and want to change their rempa oncemore then once a year.

The people complain about the impact of remaps are probably the people with a couple accounts they get with ingame money and have all their remaps straightened and because they have that many accounts they have their accounts very specialised and are not even in the need of remaps. Maybe they messed up their first account but not the other 6.

I do have multiple accounts and i care about the people who only can afford 1 account. And maybe i want to remap my first account too.

So just put the remaps back as a gift
Elindreal
Planetary Interactors
#78 - 2011-12-13 17:15:49 UTC
as a noob, i screwed up my first remap
so i had to use my 2nd remap

eve's learning curve is steep, my 2nd remap was a fairly even mapping. now that i know enough of the game it'd be nice to have another remap which i can use to properly plan my future as a pilot.

merry christmas?
Jarin Arenos
Card Shark Industries
#79 - 2011-12-13 17:19:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Jarin Arenos
Elindreal wrote:
as a noob, i screwed up my first remap
so i had to use my 2nd remap

eve's learning curve is steep, my 2nd remap was a fairly even mapping. now that i know enough of the game it'd be nice to have another remap which i can use to properly plan my future as a pilot.

merry christmas?

This is where I'm at. I burned both within three months. I'd really like a proper remap that I could use...

But I'm not CCP Soundwave, so what do I know?
Hathrul
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#80 - 2011-12-13 17:47:53 UTC
i would like to see the remap returned. though i dont really need it since i planned far far ahead for what i need, it gives me the option to do something i normally wouldnt do, like " waste" a remap for a full charisma setup to get leadership skills up

the other reason is that the rest simply isnt interesting. the destroyer stuff....i cant even remember last time i used one, and no, thats not a reason to try now. its nice if youre brand new, but an older player, even if just a year, wont have much use.

outliers: again, nice, but i got em all from previous years. theyre nice as collectors items, but lack any use what so ever.

implants: the ga-1 i recently got for free, thank you very much. on all my accounts as well. a +3 set....nice if youre new, but i always use +4 sets as near everyone i play with does, so no use (and yes, i live in 0sec).

fuels: when the bpo's were released we bought them by the dozens. its a nice gift if i had known in advance, now its pointless. and the fuelblocks....its enough for a day...i mean....seriously

aurum: dont care

faction ammo: kinda nice, but very low amount and many of the types you never use anyway.

drugs and quafe: kinda nice, though i still have the original quafe. i suppose ill go for the boosters

i know this sounds like whining, and maybe it is. however my main point is that in previous years we got something new, something kinda cool the 1st time. now we just get stuff we can already buy, and the value is very very low for a player that is more then a few months old. the 1 thing that actually had high value, because you cant buy it in game, can no longer be chosen.