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The "more loot" is trash. The only improvement is a bump to POS bpc drops. Keep in mind, there is an additional nerf to datacore prices coming with Pheobe, and an additional nerf to loot by the removal of ship data interface BPCs (which were worth 7-15mil). So, the reward is probably staying the same.

That said, raising the risk would raise the price of decryptors, as fewer sites would be run. I'm not sure if that's how CCP really wants to balance it, though.

Um, no. You're not an explorer are you?

These changes are great CCP, good job. We have known for a while now that data sites are not worth your time and need to be rebalanced. Hopefully this will do the trick. And hopefully this means relic sites will not be affected? I'd like to continue to rake in billions in null sec.

Have I been to this thread before?

I think so... but not sure at all.

Oh, that's something related to exploration worth mentioning:
We now have signature-IDs that stay beyond downtime.
Yet, my ship is not able to remember if I already ignored a signature or not.
Dock, refit, undock... uhm... sorry, my state-of-the-art-navigation system can't remember where to warp to.

PITA day by day: scan down a dead end pipe of 5 systems. System 1 shows 3 signatures, a quick scan identifies 3 wormholes. Not interested now, so ignore, ignore, ignore.
2 hours later you leave the dead end pipe, traveling through system 1 again.
"Oh, look! 3 unknown signatures! "
I can't tell if this are the same 3 wormholes I scaned earlier... maybe one despawned and a new signature spawned?
Do I really have to write down all signature IDs to a piece of paper because EvE istn't able to remember "signature ID ABC-123 is ignored"?

You may wanna look at "Pirate's Little Helper".
But i do agree with you.

The ship scanner should "remember" already scanned sites.

I've been following the feature releases for Phoebe and after seeing the sweeping changes to capital ship jump-drives, I was hoping to see similar sweeping changes to exploration sites. At second glance maybe such broad changes aren't necessarily needed.

I think data sites should drop stuff that relates to data or information on how to do something from at least these categories (I'm sure the list can be longer):

https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Item_Database:Manufacture_&_Research:Components:Research_&_Invention:Datacores
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Item_Database:Manufacture_&_Research:Components:Research_&_Invention:Prototypes_and_Decryptors
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Item_Database:Implants_&_Boosters:Implants
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Item_Database:Blueprints
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Item_Database:Skills


I would expect the amount of materials from data sites to be on the lower end of the scale and the amount of items that teach you how to or facilitates the use of the materials to be on the higher ends (i.e. more skillbooks, bpc's, and implants than datacores & materials)

Adding items from:
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Item_Database:Trade_Goods:Industrial_Goods

to me are loot table space fillers of worthless junk to pass up (a.k.a Carbon) and shouldn't be in loot tables. I understand that all loot tables need a range of possibilities from mostly worthless to omg I just hit the mother load. Why not have the mostly worthless commonly dropped items be tier 1 & 2 skill books, +1 and maybe +2 implants, datacores and materials, limited run ammo/drone/rigs BPC's, and other things of that nature. Things that have a natural intrinsic value as their needed by new players and/or get used/blown up and need to be replaced. Instead of hauling them back to a trade hub I put them up on my local market thus reinforcing the local economy and relying less on the importation of some basic low skill point new bro items.

Half volume worthless junk is still worthless, I'm looking at you 2m3 https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Carbon


Expeditions:
What can I say I got part one of an expedition the other day that was 12 jumps one way up hill in the snow away. Needless to say I didn't run it, 24 jumps round trip for something that may or may not escalate further or even pay out is a waste of my time when I can just keep scanning and run 4-5 more sites if not more in the same time.

Fixing broken triggers, overseer spawns and adding flavor text to nudge us in the right direction to possibly trigger an expedition is great. This should be tempered so we have to think and figure out what we need to do and not be a give away in the text. Instead of the text saying "shoot the smuggler's gate" have it say "This gate appears to have an anti-tampering system and disrupting or disabling it somehow may result in uncovering further illicit activity" and we can either hit it with a warp disruptor to disrupt it or hack it/shoot it to disable the anti-tamper system and activate the expedition trigger.

#Rogue Drones...

Are you bringing back drone poo? FTW.

The price will drop, but not by as much as you might think. As supply increases, the price will drop, but that price drop will also increase demand as faction towers gain more value relative to their price. To illustrate using numbers pulled from my rear, instead of a doubling of the supply reducing the profit margin by 50%, it will only reduce it by 25%, meaning you still walk away with 25% more ISK than you would have otherwise. As long as the change doesn't saturate the market, this is a net plus for data sites.

The Optimized decryptors, on the other hand, aren't going to have much effect. While demand for these particular decryptors will also increase as their price drops--it suddenly makes economic sense to use them for more types of invention jobs--that demand will come at the expense of other decryptors. This is just a case of rearranging the deck chairs. It could even be a net negative if it injects more total decryptors into the market.

You implied that I screwed it up last time.

Drone poo makes perfect sense from the point of view of the Lore which I personally find to be important. Also reducing the price of minerals is good for everybody, including industrialists.

Bigger ships get cheaper, they get flown more often and blown up more often, leading to increased demand. Everybody wins including the russians who were really hard by the Drone Poo nerf.

I know i might be bugging someone now - but i really would like to have a very clear statement to this question: Rats or sleepers? What will it be?


Edit: I am bugging because we have also newer players who would love to have a clear statement to this as exploration is something lots of younger players do

Edit2: Answered on twitter already - quote
Rhavas @EVE_Rhavas

@CCP_RedDawn Are the new wormhole null sites with or without rats? If with what kind Sleeper vs Pirate? @NevilleSmit

@EVE_Rhavas @NevilleSmit Without rats. They are exact replicas of the existing null sec sites.
5:29 PM - 15 Oct 2014