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Dev blog: All That Is Gold Does Not Glitter - Data Sites, Expeditions

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Adaahh Gee
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#61 - 2014-10-15 17:23:07 UTC
So the faction sites in WH space?

Will it be randomized which faction site appears? As WH's have no geographic location (to define they are in angel space etc)

Will the rats in these sites be faction NPC's or sleepers?

Is any lore being added to explain why NPC's are setting up facilities in WH space?
Max Kolonko
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#62 - 2014-10-15 17:23:36 UTC
Does introduction of null sites in wh means there will be more sites in c1-3 at any given time or just more variety?

Will those sites spawn independently from normal wh spawn mechanic or will sites there just spawn from larger poll?

Read and support: Don't mess with OUR WH's What is Your stance on WH stuff?
CCP RedDawn
C C P
C C P Alliance
#63 - 2014-10-15 17:23:53 UTC
Sheeana Harb wrote:
CCP RedDawn wrote:
We hope that you like these changes and as an addition to the devblog, I can also add that we've upped the spawn frequency of the Besieged Covert Research Facility as well.


Yes, I like the changes very much, thank you :).

After reading the blog, one thing has me puzzled. The list of added faction specific loot (assuming it will drop based on which faction space the site spawns) is missing Sansha items.
Does that mean there will be no faction specific drops from data sites in Sansha space?


For the Sansha sites I've boosted the drop potential of other items to accommodate this.

Team Genesis
CCP RedDawn
C C P
C C P Alliance
#64 - 2014-10-15 17:31:33 UTC
Max Kolonko wrote:
Does introduction of null sites in wh means there will be more sites in c1-3 at any given time or just more variety?

Will those sites spawn independently from normal wh spawn mechanic or will sites there just spawn from larger poll?


Adding the null sec sites to the WH distribution lists just means that there will be more sites in these WH classes.

Team Genesis
Skyler Hawk
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#65 - 2014-10-15 17:33:41 UTC
CCP RedDawn wrote:
Skyler Hawk wrote:
Are there any plans to rebalance the ISK/time/payoff of the escalation sites relative to the corresponding DED-rated complexes? As it stands, something like a 6/10 is way quicker and easier to complete than the corresponding escalation complex but has similar if not better loot drops. It'd be good if the loot from escalations was at least somewhat proportional to the effort involved in completing a full chain.


A 'boss' loot rebalance pass in currently in progress.


Ah, I didn't realise that was what you meant by that line. Will the details of the rebalance be made public or will it be left for players to discover what's changed?
CCP RedDawn
C C P
C C P Alliance
#66 - 2014-10-15 17:42:00 UTC
Skyler Hawk wrote:
CCP RedDawn wrote:
Skyler Hawk wrote:
Are there any plans to rebalance the ISK/time/payoff of the escalation sites relative to the corresponding DED-rated complexes? As it stands, something like a 6/10 is way quicker and easier to complete than the corresponding escalation complex but has similar if not better loot drops. It'd be good if the loot from escalations was at least somewhat proportional to the effort involved in completing a full chain.


A 'boss' loot rebalance pass in currently in progress.


Ah, I didn't realise that was what you meant by that line. Will the details of the rebalance be made public or will it be left for players to discover what's changed?


I'd imagine that most of the details will come out but spoilers aren't great.

Team Genesis
Lakshata Chawla
State War Academy
Caldari State
#67 - 2014-10-15 17:44:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Lakshata Chawla
While youre doing the boss rebalance, most of the drone "bosses" dont have bounties, such as the structure at the end of the 5/10 or the, I think its drone hive mother, at the end of the escalation chain "Molting Season" or is it "Trouble in Paradise" I dont remember, please fix drones.

Also escalations making me go 15 jumps per escalation make me cry.
Samsara Toldya
Academy of Contradictory Behaviour
#68 - 2014-10-15 17:48:19 UTC
My scanners picked up a strange signal pointing me to a devblog...

Loot-Change in data sites... uhm... as mentioned before: Blood Raider Extreme Ballistic Control move ~15 items a WEEK in Jita. You need 3 of them to build one 'Arquebus' Heavy Beam Laser I (not pointing at ballistic control =! lasers), those move 20 items a WEEK for roughly the price of one Blood Raider Extreme Ballistic Control. I fail to see what value will remain once Phoebe hits TQ.
More faction BPCs... more Blood Large Beam Laser Battery... as if those would sell at all.

I was hoping to see some hint like "You remember we asked you to collect sleeper loot to introduce race specific technology? Take a look at Data Sites to find the BPCs!"

Just canceled Hacking V, those changes won't bring me back to hunt data sites.

At least I expected something like rogue drones 4/10... changed loot tables for rogue drones 3/10 (last weekend I finished 9 rogue drone 3/10 in a row - i don't mention 150k shadow serpentis hardeners as "loot" - but that's all I got while most of the pirate faction 3/10 average in 25-35M ISK in loot per site.

Transmission ends. This devblog seems to be a dead end.
Obsidian Hawk
RONA Midgard Academy
#69 - 2014-10-15 17:49:41 UTC
Hey I have one thought,

Don't tell people which structure to shoot honestly. It's that inability for people to actually use the EvE Wiki, which tells people to shoot, that seperates the good explorers from everyone looking to just run the site and leave. I have come in on a lot of sites that were just cleared but the escalation trigger was never done.

You cant spoon feed exploration, this is supposed to be a profession that makes people think.



But while you are balancing, could you add rats back to data sites? There is no risk with a lot of the exploration sites especially in high sec. Since you are adding in more loot with better rewards the risk needs to be raised more.

Why Can't I have a picture signature.

Also please support graphical immersion, bring back the art that brought people to EvE online originaly.
Lakshata Chawla
State War Academy
Caldari State
#70 - 2014-10-15 17:55:38 UTC
Obsidian Hawk wrote:

But while you are balancing, could you add rats back to data sites? There is no risk with a lot of the exploration sites especially in high sec. Since you are adding in more loot with better rewards the risk needs to be raised more.


I REALLY dont want to go back to running datas in drakes if I have to do the hacking minigame too.
Pavlakakos
W.A.S.P
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#71 - 2014-10-15 17:56:06 UTC
Good changes,

We all love the random drops sometime, but what about the value of loot being in sync with the difficulty of probing?

I mean sometimes i have found a relic with easy probing (max skills, 8 probes in a diamond formation) and the loot was good (a good relic can drop 30-40 mil).

But on another instance, i had to lower the range all the way to 0.25 AU only to find that the relic loot was mediocre (no blue chips and a lot of carbon). :P
CCP RedDawn
C C P
C C P Alliance
#72 - 2014-10-15 17:56:12 UTC
Obsidian Hawk wrote:
Hey I have one thought,

Don't tell people which structure to shoot honestly. It's that inability for people to actually use the EvE Wiki, which tells people to shoot, that seperates the good explorers from everyone looking to just run the site and leave. I have come in on a lot of sites that were just cleared but the escalation trigger was never done.

You cant spoon feed exploration, this is supposed to be a profession that makes people think.



But while you are balancing, could you add rats back to data sites? There is no risk with a lot of the exploration sites especially in high sec. Since you are adding in more loot with better rewards the risk needs to be raised more.


We've not put the messages in all the 'parent' sites. Just a few to see how it goes for now.
As for the reintroduction of the rats. Maybe later on but not for the current Phoebe release.

Team Genesis
Obil Que
Star Explorers
Solis Tenebris
#73 - 2014-10-15 18:01:47 UTC
CCP RedDawn wrote:
Obsidian Hawk wrote:
Hey I have one thought,

Don't tell people which structure to shoot honestly. It's that inability for people to actually use the EvE Wiki, which tells people to shoot, that seperates the good explorers from everyone looking to just run the site and leave. I have come in on a lot of sites that were just cleared but the escalation trigger was never done.

You cant spoon feed exploration, this is supposed to be a profession that makes people think.



But while you are balancing, could you add rats back to data sites? There is no risk with a lot of the exploration sites especially in high sec. Since you are adding in more loot with better rewards the risk needs to be raised more.


We've not put the messages in all the 'parent' sites. Just a few to see how it goes for now.
As for the reintroduction of the rats. Maybe later on but not for the current Phoebe release.


Almost worse. If some sites have pop-ups for assistance people will expect that all sites pop-up and when they don't, there's nothing else to look for.
Obsidian Hawk
RONA Midgard Academy
#74 - 2014-10-15 18:01:49 UTC
CCP RedDawn wrote:
Obsidian Hawk wrote:
Hey I have one thought,

Don't tell people which structure to shoot honestly. It's that inability for people to actually use the EvE Wiki, which tells people to shoot, that seperates the good explorers from everyone looking to just run the site and leave. I have come in on a lot of sites that were just cleared but the escalation trigger was never done.

You cant spoon feed exploration, this is supposed to be a profession that makes people think.



But while you are balancing, could you add rats back to data sites? There is no risk with a lot of the exploration sites especially in high sec. Since you are adding in more loot with better rewards the risk needs to be raised more.


We've not put the messages in all the 'parent' sites. Just a few to see how it goes for now.
As for the reintroduction of the rats. Maybe later on but not for the current Phoebe release.




Cool thanks Big smile Keep up the good work.

Why Can't I have a picture signature.

Also please support graphical immersion, bring back the art that brought people to EvE online originaly.
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#75 - 2014-10-15 18:03:47 UTC
Appreciate the changes, especially the addition to WH space. Now I can run valuable relic sites from HS base Big smile.

I'm wondering if pirate factions will be chosen randomly (mixed?) in WH space or tied to an exit?

I'm my own NPC alt.
Maennas Vaer
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#76 - 2014-10-15 18:07:07 UTC
CCP RedDawn wrote:
Obsidian Hawk wrote:
Hey I have one thought,

Don't tell people which structure to shoot honestly. It's that inability for people to actually use the EvE Wiki, which tells people to shoot, that seperates the good explorers from everyone looking to just run the site and leave. I have come in on a lot of sites that were just cleared but the escalation trigger was never done.

You cant spoon feed exploration, this is supposed to be a profession that makes people think.



But while you are balancing, could you add rats back to data sites? There is no risk with a lot of the exploration sites especially in high sec. Since you are adding in more loot with better rewards the risk needs to be raised more.


We've not put the messages in all the 'parent' sites. Just a few to see how it goes for now.
As for the reintroduction of the rats. Maybe later on but not for the current Phoebe release.


Never put the rats back in the sites, its an awful idea and is not adding risk, just annoyance. The risk should come from other players, i.e. travelling around in low and null sec and getting caught in camps or ganked while your not paying attention in a site. I've caught many an explorer this way, removing this would discourage anyone in a cov ops going out and exploring in more dangerous areas of space.

And why should people need to check wiki to do anything in-game? The notifications are great idea, the wiki is full of outdated info anyway.
Obil Que
Star Explorers
Solis Tenebris
#77 - 2014-10-15 18:18:31 UTC
Adaahh Gee wrote:
So the faction sites in WH space?

Will it be randomized which faction site appears? As WH's have no geographic location (to define they are in angel space etc)

Will the rats in these sites be faction NPC's or sleepers?

Is any lore being added to explain why NPC's are setting up facilities in WH space?


No different than the Ghost sites in that respect...
Hulk Miner
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#78 - 2014-10-15 18:34:52 UTC
I shall be sacrificing many Amarr prostitutes to thank the CCP loot fairy gods for these faction drops to build my many cosmos items in the months to come.


All Hail.
Obsidian Hawk
RONA Midgard Academy
#79 - 2014-10-15 18:35:19 UTC
Maennas Vaer wrote:


And why should people need to check wiki to do anything in-game? The notifications are great idea, the wiki is full of outdated info anyway.



Because we dont need to spoon feed people, this is not supposed to be a game of instant gratification. There is nothing wrong with people putting 'effort' into their game.


Also considering I and many other helped write and make many of the exploration site pages for the wiki to tell people. Hell im a bitter vet and i still look at the wiki for site info to make sure I dont do something stupid like.... trigger all the rats to shoot me at the same time.

Why Can't I have a picture signature.

Also please support graphical immersion, bring back the art that brought people to EvE online originaly.
Mumboz
Bergmann Foundation
#80 - 2014-10-15 18:38:20 UTC
Damjan Fox wrote:

...
Volume reduction from 1.0 to 0.5 won't make any difference. These parts ("Power Couplings", "Electric Conduits", etc...) just have a very bad isk/m³ ratio. 1 Decryptor is worth more than 100m³ of this "junk", even after volume decrease.
...


I wholeheartedly agree with this - isk/m3 is a big factor when exploring in distant corners of Eve in a Cov Ops with limited cargo hold. The above mentioned items I never pick up in the first place, and at half their current size I still wouldn't.

Otherwise, interesting changes - especially sites in Wormholes!