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Just Started, need Frigate Advice

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Race Rocket
Doomheim
#1 - 2014-10-09 11:17:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Race Rocket
I want to fly in NPC Null solo, doing missions,ratting to start and look for strays that I can fight. I have no interest in High Sec at all.
I don't want to join a corp, since I don't have a home environment that allows teamspeak.

So, if you were just starting out and only wanted to train frigates with the end goal of Assault Frigates, what would be your . . ..

Ship and Weapon of choice?

Thanks for your help.


EDIT: Thanks for the advice; Yes, I've been flying in LowSec now to get a feel for the game, local, etc.. But, Null is by far more interesting, just rolling around trying to explore in areas that I shouldn't go. Making a buck seems more fun when the odds are against you.
Syrias Bizniz
some random local shitlords
#2 - 2014-10-09 11:37:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Syrias Bizniz
First, you don't need Teamspeak to join a corp. There's several laid back small corps of people who just like not being alone, or at least have some people to chat with.

For solo nullsec, it's tough. I'd recommend starting out in lowsec.
And if you want to stay on frigates, i'd recommend anything but Minmatar. Your choice, really. You'll also find that you can spend months, probably a few dozen months, in training and maximizing frigates, but you can also pretty quickly crosstrain into several races and weapons on frig scale.

I'd probably recommend you to start out with Gallente, as the Blaster-Frigs are pretty fast in ramping up damage.
And both, Enyo and Ishkur, are very strong for both PvE and PvP.
From there on, with bringing up some shield-skills and Caldari Frig, you already unlock the Harpy, another very strong Blaster Frigate, this time from Caldari. From here, you need a few rocket skills, and you're in a Hawk, a very tanky frigate.
And then it's basically Amarr Frig to V and you got a Vengeance, a very tanky Amarr Frigate.
And then it's small energy weapons, and you got the retribution.

So basically, go Gallente, and then look around.


Edit: If you do wanna start out in lowsec, i'd recommend going to the region of Khanid. Very calm, very few traffic, and not too far away from the Amarr Tradehub.
L'ouris
Have Naught Subsidiaries
#3 - 2014-10-09 13:12:55 UTC
Given your goals, the Enyo or one of the fancy new faction frigs would probably fit you best in that hull size.

Solo Enyos give you a lot of flexibility due to the insane damage output yet your quick enough to enjoy the frigate hull size out in 0.0 and duck away from fleets landing on you.
Race Rocket
Doomheim
#4 - 2014-10-09 13:53:46 UTC
Thanks guys,,

I was wondering if you think a HARPY would do the trick..

I got a Merlin and it seems like the next upgrade keeping the skills value and all?
L'ouris
Have Naught Subsidiaries
#5 - 2014-10-09 14:39:00 UTC
Im pretty sure that to someone determined to make it work, any ship would suffice :)

Harpy shouldn't be a bad decision either, the enyo suggestion stemmed from its known ability to burn down solo ratters in pretty quick fashion.
Dato Koppla
Balls Deep Inc.
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#6 - 2014-10-09 15:00:04 UTC
Merlin > Harpy is a good progression, both are solid ships and can be quite versatile. However as mentioned above, solo in NPC null is pretty harsh and you won't get many good fights and PvE will also be a challenge. I suggest you join Faction Warfare in lowsec, that way you'll have lots of friends and backup (which you really need to make the best of this game IMO), a way to make money and PvP in a new player friendly environment.
Ingrid Inkunen
Violence of Action
#7 - 2014-10-10 00:27:18 UTC
Just curious, why not anything Minmatar? Not trolling, looking for an answer, as I am currently training Minmatar ships.
Dato Koppla
Balls Deep Inc.
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#8 - 2014-10-10 01:17:35 UTC
Ingrid Inkunen wrote:
Just curious, why not anything Minmatar? Not trolling, looking for an answer, as I am currently training Minmatar ships.


The Minmatar frigate lineup is the weakest in my opinion. The Rifter is useable but one of the more lackluster T1 frigs, the Slasher is decent, Vigil sucks, Jag is also at the bottom of the barrel in terms of AFs, Wolf is decent but 2 mids really limit it's useability.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#9 - 2014-10-10 01:17:39 UTC
L'ouris wrote:
Im pretty sure that to someone determined to make it work, any ship would suffice :)

Harpy shouldn't be a bad decision either, the enyo suggestion stemmed from its known ability to burn down solo ratters in pretty quick fashion.

or its other half, the ishkur. they can both push out insane dps for frigates (my ishkur is over 300Pirate)
they are both along the same training path , the ishkur needs drone skills where as the enyo is all in the guns.
both solid solo ships.

[Ishkur, Ralph King-Griffin's Ishkur]
Adaptive Nano Plating II
Damage Control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Small Armor Repairer II

1MN Afterburner II
Warp Scrambler II
Small Capacitor Booster II,Navy Cap Booster 150

Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Light Ion Blaster II,Void S
Light Ion Blaster II,Void S
Light Ion Blaster II,Void S

Small Ancillary Current Router II
Small Anti-Explosive Pump II


Hobgoblin II x 5
Warrior II x 3

i use this for killing battleships in highsec so i sig tank it with a set of halo implants though
you may want to change the prop for a mwd and the scram for a long point if you are roaming.
L'ouris
Have Naught Subsidiaries
#10 - 2014-10-10 02:31:41 UTC  |  Edited by: L'ouris
Ingrid Inkunen wrote:
Just curious, why not anything Minmatar? Not trolling, looking for an answer, as I am currently training Minmatar ships.


I personally omitted minmatar for two reasons cited by op and only because these two;

- solo NPC null
- frigate

Minmatar frigs will struggle with the rather high DPS needed to burn down boats *quickly before backup arrives* that routinely tank battleships, off damage or not. Boasters can give you cruiser DPS in a small platform.
Best blaster frig platforms are Gallente, pirate faction and the harpy.

Daredevil wouldwork great, but it's expensive and lacks the t2 resists you get from the enyo (or Ishkur/harpy ).
Choice between harpy and gallente solo where you expect to be outnumbered I would choose the lowest sig, thus armour.


That's my rational anyways. Minmatar would be fine if you weren't expecting to be solo in EVERY possible encounter.

Edit: included time reference
Ingrid Inkunen
Violence of Action
#11 - 2014-10-10 05:01:38 UTC
L'ouris wrote:
Ingrid Inkunen wrote:
Just curious, why not anything Minmatar? Not trolling, looking for an answer, as I am currently training Minmatar ships.


I personally omitted minmatar for two reasons cited by op and only because these two;

- solo NPC null
- frigate

Minmatar frigs will struggle with the rather high DPS needed to burn down boats *quickly before backup arrives* that routinely tank battleships, off damage or not. Boasters can give you cruiser DPS in a small platform.
Best blaster frig platforms are Gallente, pirate faction and the harpy.

Daredevil wouldwork great, but it's expensive and lacks the t2 resists you get from the enyo (or Ishkur/harpy ).
Choice between harpy and gallente solo where you expect to be outnumbered I would choose the lowest sig, thus armour.


That's my rational anyways. Minmatar would be fine if you weren't expecting to be solo in EVERY possible encounter.

Edit: included time reference


Thanks for the info, before I got too heavily invested in skillpoints.
Ingrid Inkunen
Violence of Action
#12 - 2014-10-10 05:05:31 UTC
I have to ask, since I am looking at a similar goal as the OP. Is e-war something I should invest points in, for solo via an assault frigate? Or will the mid slots be better used for other things?
Syrias Bizniz
some random local shitlords
#13 - 2014-10-10 07:10:15 UTC
Ingrid Inkunen wrote:
I have to ask, since I am looking at a similar goal as the OP. Is e-war something I should invest points in, for solo via an assault frigate? Or will the mid slots be better used for other things?



Never hurts to be able to use Tracking DIsruptors, as they greatly increase your combat-capability if you are fighting against bigger targets. But that's it basically if you stay on frigs.


As to why Minmatar are bad, it has to do about their projectile weapons. They are currently behind in terms of raw dps potential, and while this isn't bad per se, they are now not the fastest ships anymore.
Or in other words: What could be kitet before totally wrecks you now.

The only good Minnie Frigs are the Firetail - because it's versatile - and the Hyena, because it works good in fleets.
Ciba Lexlulu
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#14 - 2014-10-10 08:49:29 UTC
Race Rocket wrote:
I want to fly in NPC Null solo, doing missions,ratting to start and look for strays that I can fight. I have not interest in High Sec at all.
I don't want to join a corp, since I don't have a home environment that allows teamspeak.

So, if you were just starting out and only wanted to train frigates with the end goal of Assault Frigates, what would be your . . ..

Ship and Weapon of choice?

Thanks for your help.


I generally find station in NPC Null with decent agents are usually camped to hell by alliance that live there. Unlikely you will be able too find strays in these NPC systems. I suggest you pick lowsec. On the ship to train, it depends on region you plan to do mission. T2 ships have specific resist that is attuned to their traditional enemy faction, e.g., minmatar. High resist vs EM.

I would not be so quick to dismiss minmatar ships. Selectable damage in frigate fight is very valuable - more so when you are fighting T2 opponent with their high natural resist.

I would suggest you cross train frigate for all 4 races. As a bonus, it will allow you to unlock pirate factions which are very strong (some borderline OP...). Good luck!
Will Strafe
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#15 - 2014-10-10 15:00:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Will Strafe
If I was you, I would start out doing the Pirate Epic Arcs. I did one in a Ceptor, and another in an Assault Frig. The Ceptor was not quite strong enough to do the missions, but it did make travelling around much more safe. The trick with these missions is to have a bit of range, the rats can really hurt close range, but keep 20 km+ on them and they are quite doable.

If you get them done you are up a good 500 million or more, depending on blueprint prices atm. And they are also fun.

Traveling out into 0.0, it's important that you know the basics. Zig zag through a system so you don't land in a bubble and a hungry Sabre. Make bookmarks 250 km of mission station so you can insta warp. Just these 2 things make you a much more difficult target to catch.

A rail Harpy would be great for them btw. Both Harpy and Hawks can also be fitted for decent pvp. Hookbills are a pvp option. Lastly going into Gallente frigs after is not a bad idea, mainly because you get Access to the Worm, which is a very capable Frig. And not to forget the Navy Comet, which I consider best bang for the buck in the Frig department.

Some links :)

http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Federation_Navy_Comet

http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/67824-Harpy-150mm-Rail-Kite-EPIC-AF.html#ixzz2skQ8ySHN

And this Merlin is actually quite dangerous to other Frigs: https://zkillboard.com/kill/41690746/
Good luck.
Arcos Vandymion
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2014-10-11 08:29:31 UTC
I'd go with all racial frigates IV*, get a load of frigates and trash 'em. After that you simply figure out which one you liked best and go look for a fitting T2 Frigate.

Not that training all racial frigates to V takes a whole lot of time - four weeks I recon at standart distribution and no implants. Minus one for the one racial frigate you will need to fly any sort of AF makes three to unlock the remainder. Sensible time investment if you don't care for anything bigger.



For the question regarding E-War. Tracking disruption is sensible and very powerful. Unbonused ECM wont do much if at all. Dampening is usually overshadowed by TD as frigates usually have a quite longer targeting range than they can shoot at (unless they have light missiles <.< ). Target painting lastly is of decent interesst if you decide to dedicate yourself to mssile ships as the advanced target painting skill, whatever the name was, is really handy to have if you want to shoot smaller ships than your weaponsystem with missiles (e.g. frigates with HAMs or HMs) and have room to fit a TP.




*takes like two days and will guarantee that you never run out of viable options or diversity (flying only one ship can be boring- e.g. I just bought a Mael yesterday to test it out and sold it again after one mission; but it was a nice change of pace)
Crimson Draufgange
The Seven Shadows
Scotch And Tea.
#17 - 2014-10-11 20:11:49 UTC
Race Rocket wrote:
I want to fly in NPC Null solo, doing missions,ratting to start and look for strays that I can fight. I have no interest in High Sec at all.
I don't want to join a corp, since I don't have a home environment that allows teamspeak.

So, if you were just starting out and only wanted to train frigates with the end goal of Assault Frigates, what would be your . . ..

Ship and Weapon of choice?

Thanks for your help.


EDIT: Thanks for the advice; Yes, I've been flying in LowSec now to get a feel for the game, local, etc.. But, Null is by far more interesting, just rolling around trying to explore in areas that I shouldn't go. Making a buck seems more fun when the odds are against you.


You want to live in NPC null and only fly frigates to rat and mission? Sounds difficult. I like it!

If you want to be a frigate expert, I suggest training into all T2 small weaponry first. After that, train into T2 ships. You should train all racial frigate skills to 5. Having racial frigate skills trained to 5 and having the ability to use all T2 small weaponry, you can master pirate frigates. Once you have done that, you can train into AF's, SB's, etc.

PS - You'll either have to use services like Black Frog to get your stuff down there or train an alt into T2 haulers (covert ops haulers).

My Velator is overpowered.

"I use my hairgel to tackle my targets because it has a long lasting firm hold." - Me.

Skelee VI
Appetite 4 Destruction
#18 - 2014-10-14 19:35:35 UTC
Whatever race you fly pick on frig fore brawling one for kyting. Fly both while training towards an AF
Nalia White
Tencus
#19 - 2014-10-15 16:44:27 UTC
Dato Koppla wrote:
Ingrid Inkunen wrote:
Just curious, why not anything Minmatar? Not trolling, looking for an answer, as I am currently training Minmatar ships.


The Minmatar frigate lineup is the weakest in my opinion. The Rifter is useable but one of the more lackluster T1 frigs, the Slasher is decent, Vigil sucks, Jag is also at the bottom of the barrel in terms of AFs, Wolf is decent but 2 mids really limit it's useability.


Oh man i barely post on the forums but i have to comment on this...

Jag is the bottom of the barrel, that made my day. He calls probably one of the best assault frigates the bottom of the barrel XD

The jaguar can be fit in so many ways to kill different stuff it's not even funny. It is also the fastest assault frig out there which is also huge!

Btw you forgot the breacher, also one of the best t1 frigs currently because again so many fitting options.

Fitting ships is an important skill. If you only search for cookie cutter setups to copy you shouldn't fly minmatar i give you that. Flying minmatar these days require a lot of brain power because the thing on their side is the diversity in fitting options.

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Meditril
Hoplite Brigade
Ushra'Khan
#20 - 2014-10-16 12:51:21 UTC
Comming back to Minmatar Frigates, a Claw is an interesting choice here. You can get 200 dps out of it while still having a good buffer tank and a small repper for occasional repairs. The best thing is, you do not need to worry about bubbles and it has a damn small signature making it hard to hit for larger rats.

However if you go more into missions and need to tank for longer time, then a Wolf is a nice choice. It has a lot of dps (more than a Claw) and if you go against Amarr-Space-Rats it has insane resists against EM/Therm damage types.