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Came back to Eve, still feeling overwhelmed

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Vaeldas Vaellos
Intellectus Hiatus
#1 - 2014-10-15 16:02:21 UTC
Hi all -

I've come back after about a year away and after playing for 3-4 hours last night, I still feel very overwhelmed.
I have a bunch of different skills but I don't know which to focus on.
Right now I've got more scanning/exploration skills than anything but I would like to get some fighting skills in as well so I can join my clan for PvP.

This might be more of a personal thing than anything but I feel like I can't focus on one thing because there's so many things.
I spent a couple hours (and a couple mil) getting set up for PI - but then I didn't have the proper command center level so I started doing other things and ended up finishing the night doing something completely different than I started. I'd like to focus on one thing, and get competent at it before moving on to something else.

Things I'd like to try:

PI
Scanning/Exploration (these are the same thing right?)
Ratting
PvP

Things I don't want to try:
Mining
"crafting" - Industry/RD/etc.
Corporate Bureaucracy things

I'm ambivalent about the rest.

What have other new players done in order to get focused on learning aspects of the game without being distracted?
Vaeldas Vaellos
Intellectus Hiatus
#2 - 2014-10-15 16:09:54 UTC
The other thing is people say don't fly a ship you can't afford to replace - and I don't have any sort of income coming in other than the occasional mission/bounty from that mission. I need to figure out something to generate income and I don't know what that should be :(
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#3 - 2014-10-15 16:27:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Ralph King-Griffin
Firstly, welcome back.

http://blog.beyondreality.se/Newbie-skill-plan-2
That's a solid foundation to start with.

A good combination of PvP and scanning accessible from a low sp perspective might be this, you can downgrade the fits to meta versions of the ones mentioned in the blog, a great one is mentioned in the op of this thread.

I don't know anything about pi though so I'll leave that for someone else.
Azda Ja
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2014-10-15 16:34:29 UTC
This is a good guide when it comes to a newbie's PvP skill training, it gives one a broad base to work from so one can decide what tactics and roles the might enjoy. The plan only details combat skills, but with a bit of research into skills you'd need for exploration say, you could follow the same logic as this plan: train stuff to 3, try it out, if I like it, train to 4, when I need 5 for something else, train to 5.

So for exploration, you'd train the relevant skills to 3, this would take maybe a day or a little longer. You then give probing and exploration gameplay a shot, if you find yourself enjoying that kind of gameplay, specialize further.

Now, when ti comes to "specializing" your gameplay, and not skill queue-jitsu; I'd do more or less as I outlined above, try a bit of everything to see what it is you enjoy.

Set yourself some short term goals, in this case your longish term, overarching goal seems to be "figure out what i like". Your short term goals are therefor, trying out those activities you listed. As you rightfully pointed out, there is just a HUGE amount of stuff you can do in this game, and it can be a bit overwhelming; I'm pretty sure I saw a chart attempting to list every activity in game linked around here somewhere, and even it probably misses some potential activities.

I started EVE a second time in early July this year, I knew I wanted to PvP since it's what I fell in love with the first time around (stopped due to RL). So, my short term goals were fairly straightforward: make enough isk to buy, fit and lose 4 or 5 frigates, rinse, repeat, until I get a kill. I then added a few more goals when I realized I may need back up. Goal number 2: make a friend. I proceeded to spam the newbie corp chat until someone piped up and joined me.

Basically, just jump in and try stuff. You'll stumble, you'll fall, but then you get back up and try again with more experience than before.

Hope this helped, welcome to EVE Vaeldas, and fly dangerously.

Grrr.

Vaeldas Vaellos
Intellectus Hiatus
#5 - 2014-10-15 16:43:10 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Firstly, welcome back.

http://blog.beyondreality.se/Newbie-skill-plan-2
That's a solid foundation to start with.

A good combination of PvP and scanning accessible from a low sp perspective might be this, you can downgrade the fits to meta versions of the ones mentioned in the blog, a great one is mentioned in the op of this thread.

I don't know anything about pi though so I'll leave that for someone else.


Thanks for that guide - I had a lot of the alpha skills already but I still have enough skills to last me 9 days before hitting the beta clone. That's awesome actually - I really appreciate that guide. With the unlimited skill queue coming (it can't come fast enough) that'll also be nice to plan out 10-20 days and not worry that I'm missing skill times.

I think i'll try my hand at scanning/exploring - that's what has always appealed to me.

One last question - not that I want to do this but if I have to - I can buy a plex to sell in game for ISK right? I feel that cheapens the accomplishment of making ISK, but at the same time I don't want to be broke out of pride.
Azda Ja
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2014-10-15 16:44:36 UTC
Vaeldas Vaellos wrote:
The other thing is people say don't fly a ship you can't afford to replace - and I don't have any sort of income coming in other than the occasional mission/bounty from that mission. I need to figure out something to generate income and I don't know what that should be :(


A fair concern. From what I've heard, exploration can actually be very lucrative for a new player. Since you also want to try some PvP down the road, you can try this: Fit one of the exploration frigates for hcking and archeology sites, then go and explore through lowsec. It's supposed to e far more profitable in LS than HS, but also far more dangerous. That is actually an advantage for you here. By learning to be alert while making your ISK, you'll be developping good habits for when you decide to try out PvP.

This guide should help you get started when it comes to surviving that kind of hostile environment. Some details may be a bit out of date, but the information is still mostly valid. Also take a look at his other stuff for PvP, and D-Scan.

Grrr.

Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#7 - 2014-10-15 16:53:39 UTC
Vaeldas Vaellos wrote:


One last question - not that I want to do this but if I have to - I can buy a plex to sell in game for ISK right? I feel that cheapens the accomplishment of making ISK, but at the same time I don't want to be broke out of pride.

I'd say hang off till you know what you will use it for, currently they go for around 800million which I would imagine is more than you would know what yo do with (no offense, just your choices will likely be limited)

If you do, spending it on skill books would probably be the way to go.
Vaeldas Vaellos
Intellectus Hiatus
#8 - 2014-10-15 16:56:14 UTC
Excellent - and planning all the way up to the gamma skill set in that guide linked above will take 29 days - that's not bad, a month of training to learn 100 skills that will flesh out my guy.

Things are so much easier with a plan in place :D

Now to figure out scanning/exploration.

Also - I've read some guides about how you're supposed to bookmark a site for scanning then come back in a weaponized frigate - is that right or are there specific sites that do require fighting, while other sites do not?
Azda Ja
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2014-10-15 16:59:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Azda Ja
Vaeldas Vaellos wrote:
Excellent - and planning all the way up to the gamma skill set in that guide linked above will take 29 days - that's not bad, a month of training to learn 100 skills that will flesh out my guy.

Things are so much easier with a plan in place :D

Now to figure out scanning/exploration.

Also - I've read some guides about how you're supposed to bookmark a site for scanning then come back in a weaponized frigate - is that right or are there specific sites that do require fighting, while other sites do not?


I don't know details, but yes, there are "combat" exploration sites, and "hacking" sites. The combat ones obviously require a combat ready ship, and the others require a Data, or Relic analyzer module.The hacking sites don't have hostile NPCs in them, just beware of a hostile player waiting for you, or probing you down Blink.

My suggestion in the post above was for the hacking sites, I haven't tried any combat exploration yet myself, so I'll leave that to others.

EDIT: forgot part of post.

Grrr.

Thanatos Marathon
Moira.
#10 - 2014-10-15 17:00:58 UTC
It's also worth noting that your corp mates should be able to help you with the majority of your questions. If they can't/won't it might be time to look for a new corp.
Vaeldas Vaellos
Intellectus Hiatus
#11 - 2014-10-15 17:08:02 UTC
Thanatos Marathon wrote:
It's also worth noting that your corp mates should be able to help you with the majority of your questions. If they can't/won't it might be time to look for a new corp.


Oh they're a good corp - just at work and can't ask them and I'm bored :D

Thanks for all the advice so far. Hopefully one day I can pay it back to another new player.

Petre en Thielles
Doomheim
#12 - 2014-10-15 17:22:55 UTC
Vaeldas Vaellos wrote:
The other thing is people say don't fly a ship you can't afford to replace - and I don't have any sort of income coming in other than the occasional mission/bounty from that mission. I need to figure out something to generate income and I don't know what that should be :(


Honestly, scamming can be a very easy way to make ISK. Lowsec pirates in particular are very easy to get ISK out of. Generally, most lowsec pirates (not in faction war space) are extremely experienced, but fairly solitary players. If you jump out to lowsec and get blown up by one, send that person a private convo asking what happened. 7/10 times that person will spend the next 30 minutes explaining the game to you, and half the time they will give you ISK for being the kind of newbie who is willing to risk lowsec when they are new to the game.

It is fairly easy to make a few hundred million ISK this way in your first week or so. EVE is filled with people who want to blow things up, but genuinely want to help new players out. That is something to exploit. Pirate
Vaeldas Vaellos
Intellectus Hiatus
#13 - 2014-10-15 17:48:59 UTC
Also - let's assuming I find a scanning ship I really like (I'm leaning towards a Caldari frigate of some time, most likely a Buzzard) - is it worth going down the "mastery" tab that is on the ship info screens - where they have different ranks of skills to learn - 1 through 5?

Like do people tend to specialize on ships vs being a jack of all trades and able to fly them all? I have to imagine that flying a Battleship is WAY different than flying a frigate.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#14 - 2014-10-15 17:56:53 UTC
At your age it's not worth training beyond 4 unless the skill is a prerequisite for something you are training for.
Adrie Atticus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#15 - 2014-10-15 18:00:42 UTC
Vaeldas Vaellos wrote:
Also - let's assuming I find a scanning ship I really like (I'm leaning towards a Caldari frigate of some time, most likely a Buzzard) - is it worth going down the "mastery" tab that is on the ship info screens - where they have different ranks of skills to learn - 1 through 5?

Like do people tend to specialize on ships vs being a jack of all trades and able to fly them all? I have to imagine that flying a Battleship is WAY different than flying a frigate.


Those masteries are a good thing ot check if you're missing some skills totally, but aiming for a Mastery V is something you do when you run out of other stuff to train for in about 10-15 years. Once you get a grasp on what you want to do, start focusing on that training. If it's PvP combat, fitting skills and capacitor skills are invaluable for every ship.
Vyvica
Perkone
Caldari State
#16 - 2014-10-15 19:33:51 UTC
I know how you feel when you say that you are feeling like you don't know what to do because there is so much to choose from.

The guides are so handy and filled with information so don't forget to research what you need. But from personal experience I don't want to link you something and wish you luck.. It was one of the things that I couldn't stand when wanting help and taking so much in. . More information at a rate I wasn't ready to absorb that I may not even understand.

Please feel free to send me a message in game if you need help. I may not be the help you need. But I ususally know how to find answers. :)

Enjoy. o/
Vaeldas Vaellos
Intellectus Hiatus
#17 - 2014-10-15 19:47:15 UTC
Vyvica wrote:
I know how you feel when you say that you are feeling like you don't know what to do because there is so much to choose from.

The guides are so handy and filled with information so don't forget to research what you need. But from personal experience I don't want to link you something and wish you luck.. It was one of the things that I couldn't stand when wanting help and taking so much in. . More information at a rate I wasn't ready to absorb that I may not even understand.

Please feel free to send me a message in game if you need help. I may not be the help you need. But I ususally know how to find answers. :)

Enjoy. o/


Thanks so much - I'm slowly figuring out just by reading and absorbing where I need to go and what to do.

I think right now my plan is:

Flesh out my skills up to my gamma clone (as linked above).
Work on my scanning and learn how to scan/fly/slowly move to low/null sec.
Maximize my skills for frigates before moving to any other ship (benefits me since I'll be scanning anyway). My end goal is a really nice Scanning Frigate that can cloak, the covert ones.
Work on PvP (whcih I can do in Frigates too).
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#18 - 2014-10-15 19:56:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Ralph King-Griffin
Vaeldas Vaellos wrote:

Thanks so much - I'm slowly figuring out just by reading and absorbing where I need to go and what to do.

I think right now my plan is:

Flesh out my skills up to my gamma clone (as linked above).
Work on my scanning and learn how to scan/fly/slowly move to low/null sec.
Maximize my skills for frigates before moving to any other ship (benefits me since I'll be scanning anyway). My end goal is a really nice Scanning Frigate that can cloak, the covert ones.
Work on PvP (whcih I can do in Frigates too).

Astero sounds right up your ally (be forewarned though, shes pricy for a newbro)
Baneken
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#19 - 2014-10-15 20:10:40 UTC
If your into exploration then the lates dev blog might brighten up your day.
Gallinari
PJ Ind.
#20 - 2014-10-16 00:14:27 UTC
Convo me in game if you want help getting that Astero.
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