Wormholes

There have been many well-thought points made on the "why" part, some I agree with, some I don't. But this had become a self-fulfilling prophecy in that as people have cried the sky is falling, it causes more and more to leave, thereby magnifying the issues. Most of w-space is the same as it was 3-4 years ago, mainly just minor tweaks to mechanics, although almost across the board CCP has done a terrible job communicating on them. IMHO, the end result, accelerated burnout in w-space.

While we used to have enough new folks interested in dipping their feet in the water to replace the bittervets while they were on an Eve sabbatical, it seems the tide has shifted. Couple this with the noticeable decline in wh activity (would love to see real numbers on this from CCP), it makes drawing folks in and them committing to the efforts to create content even more difficult.

Brute force scanning of chains is yielding fewer and fewer results (i.e. PVP), while the percentage of gank engagements versus actual fleet fights has gone up. I speak mostly of C1-C4 but of course we see all class wh in our chains and hs diving. In the end, it is going to be up to us as w-space residents to adapt and overcome. CCP is clearly not going to help up in any meaningful way, anytime soon. There does seem to be more cooperation between established wh entities when something juicy is found, i.e. nullbears running wh escalations and such, so that is good to see.

I think eventually the voids where people have left will be replaced by newcomers or reformed groups, but as it stands, only the solid wh entities are going to be able to weather the storm here. You can only scan so many chains before people get tired of it. regardless of the ISK, which is still substantial. I do believe wspace is mostly still driven by PVP, not ISK, and a lack of decent PVP is what is fueling our current issues. So the more we can get folks out scanning and bumping into each other, the better the odds we can connect for some good fights and get w-space as a whole back on track.

You may be right, yet the amount of active people in EvE HAVE dropped quite significantly. Just a few years ago at this time of day there would be approximatly 35-40k players logged in, and even if the US side of things saw a slight dip it was still quite a bit of people online at any time. Today an hour after DT there were 12k people when I went to log in... and right now when I checked it was 21-22k... and this is only slightly before euro prime time.

I dont know if it is wormholes who said fu*k it when the mass based changes took effect, or if it is huge amounts of capital alts that have said fu*k it because of the upcoming jump changes... but the fact is that the amount of people is in a fairly rapid decline.

So while you may be right that other will come in and replace the bittervets it is also possible that people simply say fu*k it, not worth the time and effort.

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numbers are decreasing quite significantly. i remember 50k+ online, now most of the time i see 25-30.
more ccp 32fox fixing wspace and we will have 15k online to next year

<- Small corp. Still roll with orcas. It takes 15 seconds. Quit exaggerating

Also if you cant afford an orca you are doing wormholes wrong

KK, I see, but then there's also the reality where 90% wormhole inhabitants never see any of those corps, and even fewer are ever threatened by them.

Ha... and I wouldn't have to post threads exposing the flaws in my intellect if everybody stopped with the ouin ouin and got out into space and shot things. The circle of fingerpointing continues.

One might also state that a self described 'small corp' living in C6 space, as well a C2 space, is kind of asking for a difficult time based on split numbers between holes. Just sayin.

The minimum bodies you need without introducing polarization delay of 5 minutes is 4 pilots, three who are Orca capable plus 1 Orca and 1 Battleship and it takes longer than 15 seconds. You need to make a total of 3 Orca transits + 1 battleship transit in tandem with 1 of those Orca transits. That's 4 pilots.

Pilot 1: Orca in and back (now with some minor slowboating on the other side due to jump distances) - Now polarized
Pilot 2: Jumps into Orca makes transit (again with some slowboating and session changes) - Now polarized
Pilot 3: Jumps into Orca and with Pilot 4 in a Battleship, close the hole. - Both polarized on the return

This isn't at all a "large corp" operation (though your Orca is at a decent level of risk for probably 3 minutes or so while you do this). It isn't, however, a 15 second exercise when using 1 Orca. If you did have 3 Orca pilots and 1 Battleship, you can do it very quickly but as that was pointed out, is also a "weathier" corp option. Size really isn't the factor here.

Emphasis mine. +1

Those 1B mass statics are pretty nice. Living in a C2 with a 1B C1 static and 2B HS and now a C4 with 2B C3, I would thoroughly enjoy slamming a 1B static shut with 2 orca trips. I remember unfondly rolling the C1 for content in a Retreiver. Solo. I'm quite glad now for the Hyperion connections and not having to do much rolling at all to find deep chains to fly in.

+1 on this also.

There is also a big skill gap between C5 space and c1-c4 space.
Sure you can run c5 sites with a couple of basilisks and a few 10 drakes/tengu's but the big pay off is in capital escalations.
Wich are quite skill intensive.
And doing without those the risk/reward balance is way off, even worse then c4's .
And this is one of the big reasons c5-space is empty and does not or get very few new people.
Go cap or go lower.

Also for c5-space we should emphisize that evictions are rare because they are boring.
Nobody gets evicted out of c5 space except to settle a grudge.
My Corp was in Transmission Lost and got evicted by disavowed, and we ended up joining them... .
Name the last 5 evictions without any grudges please? There are none in the last few years... .

For c6 space i think we are ok because of the few number of holes.