Wormholes

A lot of this is just craziness. I was drug into a c2 before I had even finished the training missions and into a c5 before I could t2 fit the rattlesnakes we use to use for sites. I didn't even know how to play eve. I learned to play eve in a wormhole. So telling people its hard is bollocks.

Like most people, I don't like the mass mechanic added in Hyperion, but acting like its so much extra work is just lies. In those low class systems you are talking about, what is the size of the hole? A 1 bil hole takes 2 orcas to slowboat back .. what is that, 15 seconds?

Answer is easy and simple.

There are three kinds of people in eve. They are smart people and dumb people.

Currently in w-space, there is no reason for dumb people to live there. PVE sites in C4-C1 are too difficult and too unrewarding for the amount of effort required to make it risk free (dumb people don't do things that have what they perceive as risk, they usually die in risky scenarios because they thought it was risk free--not because they did it anyway despite knowing it was risky). They can't live in C5 or C6 space because that's even more riskier and also requires that they put effort into actually doing the PVE, and some intelligence as well--they don't have that. On the PVP side, the dumb pvp'ers cannot find targets because there are no dumb people doing dumb things. This is a combination off dumb players not doing PVE in WH's, and also the fact that WH's are so sparsely populated that dumb PVP'ers cannot find each other. So neither party lives in WH space. I'm sure some come and try to, but quickly get bored or killed by the few people still active in wormholes.

Similarly, there is no reason for smart people to live in WH's. The PVE is bad and requires significant effort to actually make it better than standard PVE in kspace or market trading--and the PVP is way too sparse and is significantly harder to find than in k-space. Some people are masochistic and like this, but frankly this is a fact--WH pvp is harder to get than k-space pvp by many orders of magnitude and k-space pvp is just as fun, there is no significant difference--ESPECIALLY after Pheobe, when lowsec/nullsec becomes significantly safer for capital brawls to happen in. The fun/effort ratio of playing the game in wormholes is significantly worse than playing it in k-space.

tl;dr i lost my train of though halfway through and I really just think that w-space is **** because it's way too much effort to actively force fights in general, and the flip side of just waiting for fights to come to you doesn't work due to the lack of population.

They are right. Why take the risk of mining in wormholes when you can do it in k-space which has the benefit of local?

Fit a procurer with T2 shield tank, get some drones in it, and then you can combine mining with PVP/being a bait for your invisible pvp fleet... that for sure is not in kspace too much.

Baiting like that is more common than you think. You're not some elite space warrior.

I'm not that elite warrior, but just throwing out the thoughts in my yhead

You missed the third kind of person though. The guy who is to lazy to get SOV but still wants to throw up a TCU in home, and likes the nebulae and the outgoing connections. Small difference to living in low, but a vital one. The isolation a wormhole system has to offer is charming on its own :)



He's probably talking of SSC, NoHo, HK and disavowed. All of these are pretty it and if they want you dead, they just pour their numbers onto you. Just imagine an invasion with those entities having as many guardians as you got pilots in fleet... Doesn't help that they got pretty kickass FCs to top it off.

To kind of bring it back to the OP's track, I think part of the issue is the pure toxicity of the community at large, and all of the bitter poo-flinging that happens, due to people not having desirable experiences during their stay in WH space.

As it turns out, a lot of the people who talk on these forums are actually quite fed up with WH's due to not being very successful in them, and of course I point to the guys who are chilling in massive Null-Sec alliances, who get their kicks playing ping-warrior online and probably Archeage, since that seems to be the off-game flavor of the month. To each their own I suppose.

Whether the people who 'retired' from WH space did so because of stagnation within corp, internal drama and politics, lack of active directors, shady members etc, it all leads to generally the same outcome. They leave, and then fire shots from the other side.

Hyperion was just a big excuse to leave for everyone that wanted to leave for a long time as it is. Rolling WH's isn't that hard, just use your brains and smash more ships through a wormhole.

Now imagine that you are a newish player, or maybe an older one who wants to try WH space for the first time. One of the things you might do is come to the WH forums to try and gain some insight on what the community is like, and what the game change might be. What this person is going to find, is nothing but trolling, bitterness, and overall misleading commentary that has a strong bias against the WH gameplay. They end up mislead, or afraid to come in here because other people say in the worst ways possible that it cannot be fun, and they will inevitably be evicted, or never find anything to do, or in trend with a LOT of the posts here, it's just too hard. This forum and the people in it generally discourage anyone from approaching WH space at all. You don't nurture, you destroy it yourselves inadvertently with all of the cynicism and false information.

Don't get me wrong, some of what is talked about is actual facts, but so little that it's almost negligible.

WH space is whatever you want to make of it. The problem is we don't have enough inspired fresh blood that will come in and prove a lot of you incorrect, or take all of the information you say with a grain of salt.

You might not find all of your content within WH space, but it's sure as hell a plethora of content if you're actually willing to not be terrible and work for it. This whole purebred WH content crap is ridiculous. Content is content, and WH's are still fine, nobody wants to adapt to anything anymore, and people became too soft.

TL'DR

WH's are the same as always, people are more lazy in EVE as a whole, +Extra Bitter

I think this may have been my point all along. I just don't want to get my corpies assets burned for expressing this opinion too strongly.

The reason I moved out of WH space is because I got a kid, and with that I have two 2 seconds AFK notice and then be AFK for two minutes or two hours... if that, and that is a bad thing in WH space. I can not be part of PvE nor PvP fleets, and while I could sit and spin my ship in POS or do some scanning, its not that much fun...

I moved to null, but I could not be part of the roaming gangs nor the gate camps in anything but a cloaky for the same reasons. And with null being what it is that was not very popular. I left the corp in null and started ninja scanning instead. I guess I could sustain my accounts doing that, but its still not fun to have to go AFK every now and then so I recently decided to take (yet) another break from eve.

Oh, well, if EvE is still alive when (if?!?) I get more time I am most likely coming back like always.