EVE General Discussion

Sigs are even worse due to the 100 per REGION limit. They are simply not viable for supporting a large playerbase on and average income is around the same as high sec level 4s over time.

Anoms are the primary income source for the bulk of people in null and they are simply not up to the job.

If we take just 10% of or member base thats 4000 ratters. This means we need 400 systems with 10 per system. However, there are nowhere near 400 -1.0 systems so we need to split them up further still to fit them all in. 800 is a more realistic number of needed systems and that is just the cfc and only with 4000, we had that many pilots in the battle for tests home station so the real number of online CFC pilots is short by at least several thousand. The bulk of these people will be earning far less than can be earned in high sec level 3s.

The maths just doesn't add up.

Thanks for the tip, didn't think of those....for some reason I keep thinking of them as hauler pilot implants.

Check my post in that thread, When he wrote it he was not earning 80mil an hour. I made that post before doing my own research into this, just checking his own spreadsheet reveals some small exaggerations in the income.

He does jump twice during his 30 mission sample and thankfully records a 3.58 AU warp to gate. This information is rather important in revealing where the data was collected.

There are only three level 3 security agents for the entire SOE faction, their locations are as follows.

Simela 0.5 the only hi sec level 3 for sisters of eve it has 1 gate 50AU away from the station. The data was not collected in hi sec.

Aeschee 0.2 with no gates closer than 10AU. The data was not collected in low sec.

J-CIJV -0.2 Is where the data was collected. This means the data records mission rewards approximately 170% of those found in Simela the only Hi sec level 3 agent for the SOE faction.

Stoicfaux, never says where he did his missions beyond doing them on the test server. We can deduce the location with his own data, the income he records is however a npc nul sec income not an empire income.

For anyone wishing to grasp at straws after the Thukker LP they have no hi-sec level 3 security agents so please don't even bother.

Also of note is that the mach can hit 8.46 AU/s by upgrading the rigs and using high grade ascendancies. The one used was just 5.18.

Assuming that is the limit of less than 10 per DAY.

5*3500 = 17,500.
10*3500 = 35,000.

Then not everyone plays every day, so you can double both of those

So 35,000 - 70,000 is Null Secs current support limit.

If that is simultaneous player count rather than per day, then we can add a further *4 multiplier on assuming people play about 6 hour play sessions, which is long but null players tend to have more free time to deal with such things.

So 140,000 - 280,000 if that is an at once limit.

In saying this, while that number does seem awesomely high I quite agree it's much too low. This isn't pretending that Null actually supports enough people. But it certainly does support a large number of people. And the income isn't as bad as you try and make out. Since you use average/low ball null figures, while picking the single best figure a player has ever achieved as the high sec figures. Meaning you are biasing your analysis before you even start. Basic scientific methodology as abused by politicians world wide to support their arguments.

But certainly, you could increase the number it could support per system by a factor of 5, if you can do so in a way that doesn't either cause rampant inflation (Null Bounties account for 45-50% of All isk faucets per 2012-2013 figures, 2013-2014 fanfest graph looked similar but I haven't done the maths) or crashing another market.

Even CCP admits that they are not entirely sure how the players adapt or what they will do. Wormholes for example - they didn't expect players to live there.

I have no idea what is going to happen.

I will say one thing for Gevlon;

His own crazy brings out the crazy in a lot of other people. And this thread is full of it.



For those who are mad that the CFC and N3 don't have a war to end all wars... What are we supposed to fight over?

We don't want their space. N3 probably doesn't want ours as they aren't even renting out all the systems they own. How do we decide which one of us has to haul all our stuff to the opposite end of the galaxy just to have a fight for the sake of fighting? Oh, that's easy. They have to come to us, because we already went to them last year and had a brawl so huge that CCP made an in-space memorial to it.

But nothing ever happens in null.


Which reminds me, when I started playing almost 3 years ago, Northern Coalition actually lived in the north, near us in Tribute and Vale. The space they own now was owned by what was vaguely explained to me at the time as "The Russians". TEST lived in Fountain and were part of our coalition. And we were just starting up a war with some group called White Noise, who owned Branch. And PL owned a lot of Tech moons but no sov.

But null is totally stale and unchanging.


We've been complaining for years that nullsec income for the average player isn't all that great. People in this thread challenge this, and end up getting schooled on how to make even more isk with highsec missions by a nullsec player who has a fleet doctrine named after him.

But nullsec is all easy money for everyone.



Some of the best crazy I've read this week.

Good drops from faction spawns are rare, faction spawns are rare & escalations are rare, so I call bullshit on your completely made up statistic.