Market Discussions

Still almost zero extra competition in particular in Syndicate.. People would rather 0.01isk warrior in Jita for super thin margins? I'm super confused. Bring it :)

I wonder if it is maybe that people are a bit confused about what to do, all this talk of timers and what not seems confusing to me, If it was a case of buy X take to Y then sell then thats fine... well would be fine if I owned a freighter.

@OP: How do you figure the new jump range changes will affect the logistics of this method?

Basically -
1. Place a buy order or buy for 2544 in Placid (Orvolle or Maut)
2. Haul to Syndicate or hisec or lowsec in Citadel/The Forge/Lonetrek
3. Place a sell order there and wait or 0.01isk whoever else is trying to sell a bit (i don't do 0.01isk, Frenchies still do a bit i think)
4. Profit

5. L Multipass is the highsec trader and Allyzee is Syndicate trader for Le Cooperative Fruitiere, so whenever they log off you can 0.01isk them :)

One major obstacle is that you need a good broker standing to be a decent competition.
Also your JF pilot should ideally be perfect for Syndicate (and ideally a Nomad)
Rhea or Anshar won't even cut it since they are massive fuel guzzlers and it's a thin margin op.


Basically you need to pay attention to broker fees and how much fuel exactly you spent hauling. No rocket science here although you can get creative with some JF routes, such as hauling to Chesiette first before jumping to ZN0-SR for instance. I don't bother at this point since i mostly look at it as near-passive income and a middle finger to Frenchies. The frenchies still wage 0.01 isk wars and try to minimize your sell through volume and even manually pilot their freighters in hisec lol Their return on time is miserable. Ironically i offered them a pretty sweet deal (only 4b/month payout and i help with hauling). Basically strange irrational individuals. They simply do not deserve to be making 40b/month because they never had the chops to be in this business. They learned most of the micro tactics from me in first place (back in 2012 when i first published these details) and used to act super dumb in this market (and still do). So basically I ended up shooting myself in the foot and gave them extra weapons in price war back then since nobody apparently understood what to do (plus i deleted the post lol)

It's like giving a bunch of R64 towers to some random amateurs. I can't believe this is happening in EVE :)

Oh and BTW i'll pay 10b for each of Mortus Valitum or Chango Atacama popped titans so please do primary them whenever they show up in a big fight. I'll pay out the 10b proportional to the damage contribution on the KM, the fleet can redistribute it from there (sorry logistics and other guys). I don't want to put an official bounty because it might never get paid out that way and it ties up capital.

I'm sorry the thing that is missing here is it seems like an awful lot of work. I don't mind working hard as long as I'm having fun. I can make my 4 bil a month just by setting my prices 2 times a day (15 -20 min of my time) and still have fun playing EVE. If running around picking up trade goods from system to system for 4 hours a night is fun for you, you should just stay at work.

Looks promising.

I have to test this

I preposition 5 cynos - 1 cyno to cover ZN0-SR, 1 cyno to cover X-BV and FD-MLJ and 1 cyno to cover 4 other stations including TXW. And 1 cyno in Maut.

I don't use the 2 minute self-destruct trick as 2 minutes is too long of a wait (plus none of intaki bank stations are medical so you have to warp to a medical station first)

I'm also unsubbing.. so it's definitely not going to affect me lol

Yeah, i think its about 4 min per round-trip. Multiple JFs can further alleviate that (I've been using 4 JFs to reduce the time for back and forth jumping and number of lost cynos per jump back when people still bothered to shoot them).

With recent changes it looks like you can make 4 10LY jumps in 6 mins and still have minor fatigue. Average jump range is only about 6LY though. So i would say the effect is fairly small (especially on a 4JF op :).

From CCP's fatigue example:
"Frankie Flowers has an Ark, and travels 3 jumps of 10LY each. Because he has a bonus, all distances are instead treated as 1LY when calculating fatigue values.
When he makes the first jump, he has no fatigue or cooldown, so incurs the minimum fatigue value (10 * (1+1) = 20 minutes) and the minimum cooldown value (1+1 = 2 minutes).
When he makes the second jump, he has waited for 2 minutes, so his fatigue is 18 minutes before the jump, and 18 * (1 + 1) = 36 minutes after. His cooldown would be 1.8 minutes (10% of fatigue), but the minimum is 2 minutes so he has another 2 minute cooldown.
When he makes the third jump, his fatigue is 34 minutes (waiting 2 minutes again), and becomes 34 * (1 + 1) = 68 minutes. His cooldown is 3.4 minutes, or 3 minutes 24 seconds."

Competing orders in Orv/Maut are pretty low right now.

I dropped my buy price to 2450 so there's room for healthy margins.

Bumpage. Simplified the explanation a bit.