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Petre en Thielles
Doomheim
#121 - 2014-10-14 21:28:20 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Looting reduces your income, you get the best results simply chasing the bounties.


Let me introduce you to alts, who can salvage while you run the next site.

Let me also introduce you to new recruits, who can salvage old sites before they are capable of running them with you.
Joshua Milton Blahyi
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#122 - 2014-10-14 21:32:15 UTC
Petre en Thielles wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Looting reduces your income, you get the best results simply chasing the bounties.


Let me introduce you to alts, who can salvage while you run the next site.

Let me also introduce you to new recruits, who can salvage old sites before they are capable of running them with you.


Hey now, those new members need to be fast tackle in whelp fleets, and they have to bring their own ships, from high sec everytime.

No reimbursements for newbros. Get out there ratting and pay your taxes.
Joshua Milton Blahyi
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#123 - 2014-10-14 21:33:23 UTC
baltec1 wrote:


Looting reduces your income, you get the best results simply chasing the bounties.


Yet you have too many members sitting around idly doing nothing, complaining about being broke?

Hmmm, seems legit.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#124 - 2014-10-14 21:34:45 UTC
Joshua Milton Blahyi wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


Alliance income is not the same as line member income.

As for isk earning, anoms in the best truesov null will net you 90mil/hr. Level 3 missions in high sec will get you 80mil/hr...


Sure, anoms might only pay 90/hr, but what about cosmic sigs and escalations? Handy, high income sites that those careebars in high sec have zero access to. Grab a couple of vindi/Nightmare/Bhaalgorn prints a week and that hourly income tils decidedly in the favour of nullsec.

Add in that there is no need for LP conversion, just dump your overseer effects and BPCs into the alliance JF to jita for your cash out and it is even less close. Not to forget that converting sisters LP means having to park an alt in a trade hub and play the penny game to meat your lofty targets.

So that high sec figure involves more travel, more time in markets, and operating in Osmon, where going really shiny is just starting a clock on a tornado gank whereas your line bears can reasonably assume that they have a certain degree of safety what with intel channels, bubbles, and all the other nice protections that SOV null offers.

Just because your line bears want to stay in one system, drop sentries and orbit while racking in ISK doesn't mean that they should.



Sigs support at most 100 per region and income ranges wildly.

You can run sisters missions and remotely alter your sell orders in jita. Time to get your goods to jita and get back to your mission system is 10 minutes every other day.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#125 - 2014-10-14 21:36:14 UTC
Joshua Milton Blahyi wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


Looting reduces your income, you get the best results simply chasing the bounties.


Yet you have too many members sitting around idly doing nothing, complaining about being broke?

Hmmm, seems legit.


Perhaps you should learn about these mechanics before trying to be snarky.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#126 - 2014-10-14 21:37:49 UTC
Petre en Thielles wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Looting reduces your income, you get the best results simply chasing the bounties.


Let me introduce you to alts, who can salvage while you run the next site.

Let me also introduce you to new recruits, who can salvage old sites before they are capable of running them with you.


Putting that alt into another dps ship nets more isk.
Joshua Milton Blahyi
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#127 - 2014-10-14 21:58:41 UTC
baltec1 wrote:


Sigs support at most 100 per region and income ranges wildly.

You can run sisters missions and remotely alter your sell orders in jita. Time to get your goods to jita and get back to your mission system is 10 minutes every other day.


I would love to see the math on a region only supporting 100 players.

What exactly is your minimum standard per month for a "supported" player?
Joshua Milton Blahyi
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#128 - 2014-10-14 22:02:39 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Joshua Milton Blahyi wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


Looting reduces your income, you get the best results simply chasing the bounties.


Yet you have too many members sitting around idly doing nothing, complaining about being broke?

Hmmm, seems legit.


Perhaps you should learn about these mechanics before trying to be snarky.


Maybe you should fully utilize your space before you complain that it is tapped out. There are plenty of anoms and sigs in goon space. I know because I run them. If your members were so starved for cash it wouldn't be an option. So either they are lazy, in which case they don't deserve isk, or maybe you have overly high expectations of what one should make afk mining.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#129 - 2014-10-14 22:07:06 UTC
Joshua Milton Blahyi wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


Sigs support at most 100 per region and income ranges wildly.

You can run sisters missions and remotely alter your sell orders in jita. Time to get your goods to jita and get back to your mission system is 10 minutes every other day.


I would love to see the math on a region only supporting 100 players.

What exactly is your minimum standard per month for a "supported" player?


There is a fixed number of sigs spawned at any point in time. It is a hard cap we can do nothing about.
Joshua Milton Blahyi
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#130 - 2014-10-14 22:11:03 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Joshua Milton Blahyi wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


Sigs support at most 100 per region and income ranges wildly.

You can run sisters missions and remotely alter your sell orders in jita. Time to get your goods to jita and get back to your mission system is 10 minutes every other day.


I would love to see the math on a region only supporting 100 players.

What exactly is your minimum standard per month for a "supported" player?


There is a fixed number of sigs spawned at any point in time. It is a hard cap we can do nothing about.


I'm well aware of that, but the second question is far more pertinent and that you didn't answer it speaks volumes.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#131 - 2014-10-14 22:11:10 UTC
Joshua Milton Blahyi wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Joshua Milton Blahyi wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


Looting reduces your income, you get the best results simply chasing the bounties.


Yet you have too many members sitting around idly doing nothing, complaining about being broke?

Hmmm, seems legit.


Perhaps you should learn about these mechanics before trying to be snarky.


Maybe you should fully utilize your space before you complain that it is tapped out. There are plenty of anoms and sigs in goon space. I know because I run them. If your members were so starved for cash it wouldn't be an option. So either they are lazy, in which case they don't deserve isk, or maybe you have overly high expectations of what one should make afk mining.


Most systems are so bad that it is simply not worth running the anoms thanks to the way true sec works. The bulk of null players are in high sec running missions or in low sec FW blitzing missions in bombers. However, even if it was worth running anoms there simply is not enough space to host everyone.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#132 - 2014-10-14 22:16:20 UTC
Joshua Milton Blahyi wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Joshua Milton Blahyi wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


Sigs support at most 100 per region and income ranges wildly.

You can run sisters missions and remotely alter your sell orders in jita. Time to get your goods to jita and get back to your mission system is 10 minutes every other day.


I would love to see the math on a region only supporting 100 players.

What exactly is your minimum standard per month for a "supported" player?


There is a fixed number of sigs spawned at any point in time. It is a hard cap we can do nothing about.


I'm well aware of that, but the second question is far more pertinent and that you didn't answer it speaks volumes.


Thats because the second part of your question makes no sense in the context of my post you quoted. The issue is that we have more pilots in null than it can suppor
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#133 - 2014-10-14 22:22:04 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Erm, YOU are the one talking about Elite, mate. You flat out said that if CCP doesn't do what YOU want them to, you're gone.
Not what I said, but please, continue to talk absolute ****.

Jenn aSide wrote:
I'm simply wishing you a safe trip to 'magical jet fighters in space that's must be sooo much better than EVE' land. A place so wondrous that you can actually flag yourself safe while still being able to interact with people and earn money...

If that's the kind of thing you like, no wonder you have so many issues with EVE lol.
You know what, I can dock up in EVE, never move an make more isk than ANY OTHER METHOD by trading. Completely safe. I guess EVE must be rubbish as well then if you hate that so much. I suppose that's different though, right? For :reasons:

And again, stop presuming to know what I like in a game. You know nothing about me or what I enjoy in a game, and your repeated attacks on my character are only because you have no other way of explaining why you don;t like other people having opinions different from your own. That's all I've done here, present my opinions and you repeatedly attack me and tell me I'm wrong, as if your opinion is pure fact.

Seriously mate. Get over yourself.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#134 - 2014-10-14 22:32:16 UTC
Joshua Milton Blahyi wrote:
True enough, but I have done enough low/null sites and anoms and can compare it to my (very) short time time shooting crosses in high sec.

Granted any combat site and anom running has a certain amount of RNG, but the billions in daily income certainly outpace high sec mission running.

This persistant claim from Baltec that his members are poor is propaganda, nothing more. I keep jump clones in null, and even run sites in goon space. It isn't difficult to plex multiple accounts and keep a more than ample reserve for ship purchases. I probably spend less time than most goons have their farming alts sitting in anoms.

If goon members cannot comfortably supply themselves, that is their failing, not a lack of ISK in the system. Maybe they should look around at their fellows and see who is doing really well for themselves, and shoot that guy in the face for not being sufficiently "team oriented". Maybe not being afraid of taking a few gates is a good first step as well. Take those Ishtar toons and spread out. You don't always need a bunch of blues in system to be safe.
I think the point baltec is making is not that people are poor, it's about scalable income. Sure, you can get the odd exploration site of escalation which is far superior to any single site in high sec, but you can't get that consistently. You can however get as many L4 missions as you want, and after just a short while getting standing up you can cancel like hundreds of missions without worrying about losing too much standing,so you can pick only the missions worth blitzing (hitting only triggers and required targets, ignoring all loot). Doing this, you can make consistently more income than you can make consistently in null. There's plenty of math around which has shown this time and again.

And it's not difficult to plex accounts with anything. You can plex an account with high sec PI.

The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.

Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#135 - 2014-10-14 22:47:23 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Level 3 missions in high sec will get you 80mil/hr...


*Citation Needed*

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#136 - 2014-10-14 22:52:57 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Doc Fury wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Level 3 missions in high sec will get you 80mil/hr...


*Citation Needed*



Warp speed rigged mach with implants, med rep, autos and tracking computers. Stoix came up with it in the pirate battleship rebalance thread. It is disgustingly effective.
Paranoid Loyd
#137 - 2014-10-14 22:53:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
What do you get with the RHML Raven?

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#138 - 2014-10-14 22:58:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
baltec1 wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Level 3 missions in high sec will get you 80mil/hr...


*Citation Needed*



Warp speed rigged mach with implants, med rep, autos and tracking computers. Stoix came up with it in the pirate battleship rebalance thread. It is disgustingly effective.

Cool. What percentage of EVE players exactly are using (or are capable of using) that specific bling setup for level 3s or are you assuming just because it's possible that everyone is doing it?

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Joshua Milton Blahyi
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#139 - 2014-10-14 22:59:43 UTC
baltec1 wrote:


I'm well aware of that, but the second question is far more pertinent and that you didn't answer it speaks volumes.


Thats because the second part of your question makes no sense in the context of my post you quoted. The issue is that we have more pilots in null than it can suppor[/quote]

How does it not make sense?

You say null sec can only support so many pilots per region.

Defining a supported pilot is very much a part of the discussion.

So once again, how much does one person need to make to be a "supported" pilot.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#140 - 2014-10-14 22:59:49 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
What do you get with the RHML Raven?


Managed to match his isktar with the right mission choices which was the goal I had. Honestly nothing can touch his mach build for level 3 blitzing.

Levels 4s are in an interesting place right now thanks to burners. The old 120 mil/hr max limit can likely be broken if you just run burners but currently its not know just how high you can get your isk/hr doing that. It does look like you can get disgustingly rich on them though.