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Gevlon's Second Doozie

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Solecist Project
#101 - 2014-10-14 18:07:20 UTC
Boom McCondor wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
*pets Lucas' head*

Boom... I'm looking for that wow you wanted to post. ^_^

Eh, it's ultimately inconsequential. I'll change it to "Wow! Noticed by a forum pro! I can retire."

Kind of removes all the fun out of it. :/

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
When Fleets Collide
#102 - 2014-10-14 18:13:43 UTC
Budan Kado wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

He is an avid grr goon poster who will post anything to simply speg about us. Seriously, do you honestly think the average line member is happy with the current state of sov and wants to keep it intact? When at any point have we asked for CCP to make this game safer or to bring in instancing?


yes your average line member is happy with the way null sec is. they can rat all day long in peace and not have to worry about anything except their isk ticks per hour. your alliance along with the rest of the cfc have turned null sec into hello kitty online.

you dont want good fights, you dont want people living in NPC regions around you. this has been proven over and over again by having the CFC camp people in the stations. you dont even want some small alliance to start a fight with another alliance. when that happens you cram as many f1 button mashers in to the system and have them click PAP links.

you wouldnt need pap links if the 41 THOUSAND MEMBERS of your coalition actually wanted changes.


The burden of civilisation. People have sandboxed their way to a community that's the size of a small village. And over there, is another such community. Why aren't their razing their respective houses? Because avoiding mass conflict is the correct play within the current ruleset. Much like in the real world. Hence, a change of rules is needed.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#103 - 2014-10-14 18:20:30 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
What exactly is going downhill?
The game in general. Even people like yourself have complaints about how the game is going.

Jenn aSide wrote:
I've played for 7 years and I'm still loving it. This is what I mean, it's not something happening to the game, it's your perceptions. I haven't liked a lot of things that have come in to the game but actually like it more than when I started in 2007. By a long shot.
So because you like the game as much as you ever did, it must be my issue, even though there's clearly considerably more people complaining about various issues and lacks of features these days? Maybe CCP should just stop developing altogether if it's good enough as is.

Jenn aSide wrote:
Example #2 of your perceptual problems. You don't know that the 'player base is in decline'. CCP introduced a mechanic that negated the need for multiple accounts for character/alt training, this alone could explain 'declining' PCU numbers (by helping to explain the inflated pcu numbers of the past). CCP has also made changes in the not to distant past that killed a whole lot of botting and got rid of a lot of botters.

So while you have jumped to the conclusion that EVE is in decline, it could very well be that the problem was that you actually drank the koolaid all these years when CCP was telling people that the 'playerbase' was growing when it wasn't. Either way, YOU have no way of knowing.
And if I was pointing at the ACU alone, you might have a point, but come on, staff cutdowns, lack of their usual celebration of increased subs. You're right, I can't know, but anyone putting in a realistic educated guess would be unlikely to say they are increasing.

Jenn aSide wrote:
The truth here is that after 9 years of playing you're probably just bored, and rather than blame that boredom on your own aging and slowly evolving change of tastes, you blame it on CCP for not giving you (and others) more stuff to do. This is actually normal, in real life the older people get the more cynical even when the actual world situation isn't getting worse, they are just noticing the crappy parts more as they approach inevitable death lol.
Bullshit. Stop trying to tell me what I'm thinking. You know absolutely nothing about me, and yet you make grand assumptions that I must just be bored. It can;t possibly be that the direction the game has been going in shifted and is no longer the direction I initially enjoyed, right?

The dumbest thing about this is that it's not like you thinkg nothing needs changing yourself. I've seen you in support of and against ideas CCP have put in, yet when I think they are doing something wrong, it's me, but with you, it's obviously the game.

Jenn aSide wrote:
All that sounds great till this..

Say CCP does all this and yet you end up realizing you still feel the same way about EVE (proving it wasn't EVE at all but rather those evolving tastes I mentioned)? What then?

Elite, that's what lol.
Yes yes, we've all seen that one. Idiots tend to hand that one out a lot, but it certainly doesn't mean that people are incapable of knowing what they want. I make decisions about what I want all day long and manage to get them right constantly, so clearly I must be some kind of magic.

And sure, they might not work out, and that's what DISCUSSIONS are for. People like you don't want to discuss, you just want to attack people and tell them to leave because they didn't say what YOU think YOU want.

The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#104 - 2014-10-14 18:21:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Lucas Kell
Solecist Project wrote:
*pets Lucas' head*

Boom... I'm looking for that wow you wanted to post. ^_^
So in other words you have absolutely no way to realistically come back on that because you know full well I'm right.

Good to know. Now back to the bridge.

Edit: And by the way, the whole "comparison to wow!" thing was born out of wow players coming to EVE saying "this should be more like WoW". If you actually read what I wrote, it was "this is a reason why WoW is ****, and EVE is basically doing the same thing".

The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.

Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.

Solecist Project
#105 - 2014-10-14 18:38:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
No, Lucas. It's way more meta than that.

I make you post and play with your weak ego. I do not need to "come back",
because there is no point to it. You will just keep babbling your drivel anyway!

You have proven that more often than I can count ...
... and I am not daft enough to behave like all those dipswitches who keep talking ...
... although there is no point to it! :D

Weaklings like you are ego driven!
Easy marks! :D

I hope I was able to educate you a bit... but it's unlikely. :(

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#106 - 2014-10-14 18:39:09 UTC
Petre en Thielles wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
[quote=Budan Kado]
We have been pushing for big changes to null to end this stalemate for years, in the last 6 months we have been actively pushing for occupational sov and other changes to allow the current empire to contract from owning half the galaxy to just a single region.


BS...If Goon wanted to contract their empire, wouldn't they...contract their empire?

Occupational SOV would let the biggest powerblocks (aka, CFC, NCdot) to overwhelm smaller groups in null and take even more space.


To point out, if only 10% of our "41 thousands members" ratted we would need more than 4100 systems. There are 3524 0.0 systems including all NPC space and jove systems.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#107 - 2014-10-14 18:40:03 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
It can;t possibly be that the direction the game has been going in shifted and is no longer the direction I initially enjoyed, right?


Oh, they have shifted, but it's you how always talked about 'more players', why aren't you happy with this kinder, gentler EVE that's supposed to bring in all these new players?

Quote:

The dumbest thing about this is that it's not like you thinkg nothing needs changing yourself. I've seen you in support of and against ideas CCP have put in, yet when I think they are doing something wrong, it's me, but with you, it's obviously the game.


The difference is that when i point something out, i'm not doing so for my own gain (or fear of loss). CCP will do what they do , which is why I made my comments about changes I didn't like (the NPC AI switch and these jump drive changes for example) but with the understanding that those things are gonna happen anyway.

Yes, it is you when you complain, because you are complaining for a selfish reason (your personal enjoyment). I simply comment on philosophical matters, it doesn't matter what CCP does because my enjoyment doesn't come from what they do, it comes from what I do.

Quote:

Yes yes, we've all seen that one. Idiots tend to hand that one out a lot, but it certainly doesn't mean that people are incapable of knowing what they want. I make decisions about what I want all day long and manage to get them right constantly, so clearly I must be some kind of magic.

And sure, they might not work out, and that's what DISCUSSIONS are for. People like you don't want to discuss, you just want to attack people and tell them to leave because they didn't say what YOU think YOU want.


That's just you trying to hide behind some illogical crap lol. It's no different than when people scream "you just want me to play your way" because they can't deal with the truth of their own opinions.

I want you to leave because I think a game's community is better when it's not filled with spiteful people who don't really like the game. I feel the same way about my game as I do my country. Twisted
Obunagawe
#108 - 2014-10-14 18:59:20 UTC
Gevlon is incredible.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#109 - 2014-10-14 19:39:08 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Oh, they have shifted, but it's you how always talked about 'more players', why aren't you happy with this kinder, gentler EVE that's supposed to bring in all these new players?
How is it gentler or kinder? And how the **** is that even remotely what I want? Clearly you don't understand a goddamn thing about what I want. I'd be far happier if EVE was more hardcore like it claims to be. It's not kind or gentle, but it certainly isn't challenging.

Jenn aSide wrote:
The difference is that when i point something out, i'm not doing so for my own gain (or fear of loss). CCP will do what they do , which is why I made my comments about changes I didn't like (the NPC AI switch and these jump drive changes for example) but with the understanding that those things are gonna happen anyway.
HAHAHA, always the altruist eh? That is quite hilarious. And changes shouldn't just "happen anyway". IF you have a valid reason for disliking the change, that should be put forward without some dickhead saying "If you don't like it, quit!". The whole point of getting feedback is so they can see how players feel about the changes and make decisions based around what will be beneficial to the playerbase as a whole.

Jenn aSide wrote:
Yes, it is you when you complain, because you are complaining for a selfish reason (your personal enjoyment). I simply comment on philosophical matters, it doesn't matter what CCP does because my enjoyment doesn't come from what they do, it comes from what I do.
Total an utter bull! As a null player, how is removal of force projection selfish? As a trader, how is making trading more expensive and more difficult selfish?

Jenn aSide wrote:
That's just you trying to hide behind some illogical crap lol. It's no different than when people scream "you just want me to play your way" because they can't deal with the truth of their own opinions.
LOL, Because saying that I can't possibly know what I want out of a game, yet you know better isn't illogical crap? Pull your head out of your ass.

Jenn aSide wrote:
I want you to leave because I think a game's community is better when it's not filled with spiteful people who don't really like the game. I feel the same way about my game as I do my country. Twisted
And I think the game is better when it's not filled with people like you who can;t take it that other people have opinions that differ from their own. When you cough up the cash and buy out CCP, then you can tell me where to go. Until then, put up or shut up mate.

The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.

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Joshua Milton Blahyi
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#110 - 2014-10-14 19:45:38 UTC
baltec1 wrote:


We lose hundreds of ratting ships every month and make less than in high sec from anoms.



Tell your people to stop AFK farming?

Really, low sec combat sites/anoms offer an order of magnitude more ISK than high sec missions and that is in the face of steep competition, and permanent hostiles in local.

If your members are struggling for ISK, then you are doing something wrong. Then again, given your rental income, that your members have to do any ratting shows how foolish they are for serving you guys.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#111 - 2014-10-14 19:50:26 UTC
Joshua Milton Blahyi wrote:
Really, low sec combat sites/anoms offer an order of magnitude more ISK than high sec missions and that is in the face of steep competition, and permanent hostiles in local.
Clearly someone's never blitzed level 4s.

The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.

Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.

Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#112 - 2014-10-14 19:51:32 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:


Jenn aSide wrote:
I want you to leave because I think a game's community is better when it's not filled with spiteful people who don't really like the game. I feel the same way about my game as I do my country. Twisted
And I think the game is better when it's not filled with people like you who can;t take it that other people have opinions that differ from their own. When you cough up the cash and buy out CCP, then you can tell me where to go. Until then, put up or shut up mate.


Erm, YOU are the one talking about Elite, mate. You flat out said that if CCP doesn't do what YOU want them to, you're gone.

I'm simply wishing you a safe trip to 'magical jet fighters in space that's must be sooo much better than EVE' land. A place so wondrous that you can actually flag yourself safe while still being able to interact with people and earn money...

If that's the kind of thing you like, no wonder you have so many issues with EVE lol.
Joshua Milton Blahyi
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#113 - 2014-10-14 19:53:05 UTC
baltec1 wrote:

To point out, if only 10% of our "41 thousands members" ratted we would need more than 4100 systems. There are 3524 0.0 systems including all NPC space and jove systems.


Ten people per system? How much ISK do you guys need to support your alts?

"We have a massive rental empire, and free reign to spend most of our time ratting, but it still isn't enough, we need more!"

And goons look down on high sec bears?


Joshua Milton Blahyi
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#114 - 2014-10-14 20:03:07 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Joshua Milton Blahyi wrote:
Really, low sec combat sites/anoms offer an order of magnitude more ISK than high sec missions and that is in the face of steep competition, and permanent hostiles in local.
Clearly someone's never blitzed level 4s.



True enough, but I have done enough low/null sites and anoms and can compare it to my (very) short time time shooting crosses in high sec.

Granted any combat site and anom running has a certain amount of RNG, but the billions in daily income certainly outpace high sec mission running.

This persistant claim from Baltec that his members are poor is propaganda, nothing more. I keep jump clones in null, and even run sites in goon space. It isn't difficult to plex multiple accounts and keep a more than ample reserve for ship purchases. I probably spend less time than most goons have their farming alts sitting in anoms.

If goon members cannot comfortably supply themselves, that is their failing, not a lack of ISK in the system. Maybe they should look around at their fellows and see who is doing really well for themselves, and shoot that guy in the face for not being sufficiently "team oriented". Maybe not being afraid of taking a few gates is a good first step as well. Take those Ishtar toons and spread out. You don't always need a bunch of blues in system to be safe.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#115 - 2014-10-14 20:26:30 UTC
Joshua Milton Blahyi wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


We lose hundreds of ratting ships every month and make less than in high sec from anoms.



Tell your people to stop AFK farming?

Really, low sec combat sites/anoms offer an order of magnitude more ISK than high sec missions and that is in the face of steep competition, and permanent hostiles in local.

If your members are struggling for ISK, then you are doing something wrong. Then again, given your rental income, that your members have to do any ratting shows how foolish they are for serving you guys.


Alliance income is not the same as line member income.

As for isk earning, anoms in the best truesov null will net you 90mil/hr. Level 3 missions in high sec will get you 80mil/hr...
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#116 - 2014-10-14 20:30:25 UTC
Joshua Milton Blahyi wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

To point out, if only 10% of our "41 thousands members" ratted we would need more than 4100 systems. There are 3524 0.0 s all NPC space and jove systems.


Ten people per system? How much ISK do you guys need to support your alts?

"We have a massive rental empire, and free reign to spend most of our time ratting, but it still isn't enough, we need more!"

And goons look down on high sec bears?




Tell me how you support 41k people when there is a 10 player limit in the very best null systems. Most systems will host fewer than six at a time.
Petre en Thielles
Doomheim
#117 - 2014-10-14 21:13:13 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Alliance income is not the same as line member income.

As for isk earning, anoms in the best truesov null will net you 90mil/hr. Level 3 missions in high sec will get you 80mil/hr...


Are your industry plans that poor that you only get 90mil/hr? What do you do with loot/salvage? Blindly sell it in Jita?
Paranoid Loyd
#118 - 2014-10-14 21:19:33 UTC
Petre en Thielles wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Alliance income is not the same as line member income.

As for isk earning, anoms in the best truesov null will net you 90mil/hr. Level 3 missions in high sec will get you 80mil/hr...


Are your industry plans that poor that you only get 90mil/hr? What do you do with loot/salvage? Blindly sell it in Jita?

Quoting for hilarity. Lol

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!

Joshua Milton Blahyi
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#119 - 2014-10-14 21:19:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Joshua Milton Blahyi
baltec1 wrote:


Alliance income is not the same as line member income.

As for isk earning, anoms in the best truesov null will net you 90mil/hr. Level 3 missions in high sec will get you 80mil/hr...


Sure, anoms might only pay 90/hr, but what about cosmic sigs and escalations? Handy, high income sites that those careebars in high sec have zero access to. Grab a couple of vindi/Nightmare/Bhaalgorn prints a week and that hourly income tils decidedly in the favour of nullsec.

Add in that there is no need for LP conversion, just dump your overseer effects and BPCs into the alliance JF to jita for your cash out and it is even less close. Not to forget that converting sisters LP means having to park an alt in a trade hub and play the penny game to meet your lofty targets.

So that high sec figure involves more travel, more time in markets, and operating in Osmon, where going really shiny is just starting a clock on a tornado gank whereas your line bears can reasonably assume that they have a certain degree of safety what with intel channels, bubbles, and all the other nice protections that SOV null offers.

Just because your line bears want to stay in one system, drop sentries and orbit while racking in ISK doesn't mean that they should.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#120 - 2014-10-14 21:24:43 UTC
Petre en Thielles wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Alliance income is not the same as line member income.

As for isk earning, anoms in the best truesov null will net you 90mil/hr. Level 3 missions in high sec will get you 80mil/hr...


Are your industry plans that poor that you only get 90mil/hr? What do you do with loot/salvage? Blindly sell it in Jita?


Looting reduces your income, you get the best results simply chasing the bounties.