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What kind of mining set up should I use?

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Kaisuko Mayaki
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-10-13 02:57:24 UTC
hello! I am fairly new to eve (1-2 weeks) and i'm trying to get into mining to make some money. Currently i'm afk mining kernite for the most part in a venture but i want to know what i should aim for based on my playstyle. I'm currently training to be able to use better ORE ships like the procurer but it will be a few days before ive finished the skills.

Anyways, I would really like to be able to mine and not have to really do much for about 30 minute periods atleast. I will still be at the game in case i get ganked or anything But it would ideal that I would be able to not have to interact for roughly 30 minute periods. (other than changing asteroids - of course) With my current set up im filling my hold in about 5-10 minutes which is awesome but its requiring a lot of back and forth from me. Thanks!
Iain Cariaba
#2 - 2014-10-13 03:14:23 UTC
Kaisuko Mayaki wrote:
hello! I am fairly new to eve (1-2 weeks) and i'm trying to get into mining to make some money. Currently i'm afk mining kernite for the most part in a venture but i want to know what i should aim for based on my playstyle. I'm currently training to be able to use better ORE ships like the procurer but it will be a few days before ive finished the skills.

Anyways, I would really like to be able to mine and not have to really do much for about 30 minute periods atleast. I will still be at the game in case i get ganked or anything But it would ideal that I would be able to not have to interact for roughly 30 minute periods. (other than changing asteroids - of course) With my current set up im filling my hold in about 5-10 minutes which is awesome but its requiring a lot of back and forth from me. Thanks!

I will eagerly await your tear filled post when you get ganked playing that way. Here's some advice.

1: AFK mining is simply asking to get ganked. If you're in highsec, CODE. or someone like them will find you and blow up your ship. If you're in lowsec or null, then being AFK is not paying attention to local, and will end in the same result.

2: It was a monumentally bad decision to post on forums that you AFK mine. I can pretty much guarantee you have been watchlisted by at least 10 people, who will seek you out to gank you.

3: Before you settle for mining as a profession, go join a PvP corp and learn the basics of PvP. Even iff you find PvP not to your ltaste in game play, knowing how the mechanics work will only help as you progress through EvE.

4: Playing the game in the manner which you state you want to play is probably the worst way for a new player to be. Not only does it teach a play style contrary to the core tenets of EvE, but it is the easiest way for new players to become bored with the game, and unsub. After all, do you really need to spend $15/mo to occasionally target a different spinning rock and press f1 while you watch television?
Nazri al Mahdi
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2014-10-13 03:14:49 UTC
Kaisuko Mayaki wrote:
Currently i'm afk mining kernite for the most part in a venture but i want to know what i should aim for based on my playstyle. I'm currently training to be able to use better ORE ships like the procurer but it will be a few days before ive finished the skills.

Anyways, I would really like to be able to mine and not have to really do much for about 30 minute periods atleast. I will still be at the game in case i get ganked or anything But it would ideal that I would be able to not have to interact for roughly 30 minute periods. (other than changing asteroids - of course) With my current set up im filling my hold in about 5-10 minutes which is awesome but its requiring a lot of back and forth from me. Thanks!

Get Warriior II's to kill npc's and use a skiff with maximum tank. Get tech 2 strips with specific crystals for the ore you harvest.
James Nikolas Tesla
Tesla Holdings
#4 - 2014-10-13 03:22:24 UTC
Hello, as a fellow industrialist, I shall help you to the best of my ability.

First, it is not wise to advertise that you AFK mine. I think, however, semi-AFK mining (using in game browser, looking at the market, watching tv, or gaming on the console with your computer easily accessible) is perfectly acceptable.

Another bit of advice; if you don't wish to make mining/industry your full career, do not train into Exhumers.

As far as a fitting, if you feel safe in a Retriever, fit it with Reinforced Bulkheads and a Damage Control Unit and some shield hardeners (preferably thermal & kinetic). This tank will help deter gankers.
The Retriever's ore hold is rather large so you can stay in a belt for a while, but if you really want a tanky mining ship, use a procurer with a similar setup.

Also, it is good to join a newbie friendly mining/industry corp that will help you get on your feet.

Now, expect to hear from an organization of screwheads that call themselves "CODE", refer to my signature on that but if you want more information on their atrocities, check out their blog, www.minerbumping.com. It has a lot of good information on how to be a smart miner. (No permit required.)

If you have any further questions, send me an evemail and I will send you some info as well.

Fly dangerously, fly safe! o7

CODE is just a bunch of pirates; smart, organized pirates. It doesn't help to rage at them because that is exactly what they want. Dust yourself off and get back on your feet, you don't even have to talk to them.
Hannibal Crusoe
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2014-10-13 04:02:51 UTC
Screwhead checking in.
Bravo to you Mr. Tesla for actually giving sound fitting advice and not mentioning a mining laser upgrade.

As for semi afk being acceptable I must respectfully disagree if this was referring to any un docked activity.

Ride a white mare in the footsteps of dawn
Iain Cariaba
#6 - 2014-10-13 04:32:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Iain Cariaba
James Nikolas Tesla wrote:
First, it is not wise to advertise that you AFK mine. I think, however, semi-AFK mining (using in game browser, looking at the market, watching tv, or gaming on the console with your computer easily accessible) is perfectly acceptable.

You may indeed do all these things while playing EvE. However, if you do watch television or play console games, or pretty much anything that takes your attention away from the game while undocked, do not be surprised when your attention is drawn back to the screen by the sound of your ship exploding, or the solid white screen of your pod being killed.

You have been warned.
Steppa Musana
Doomheim
#7 - 2014-10-13 05:15:54 UTC
Hannibal Crusoe wrote:
Screwhead checking in.
Bravo to you Mr. Tesla for actually giving sound fitting advice and not mentioning a mining laser upgrade.

As for semi afk being acceptable I must respectfully disagree if this was referring to any un docked activity.


I must then respectfully disagree with your assertion that it is not acceptable. In a sandbox you may play as you want. It's always acceptable as long as you don't ask CCP to change the game to suit your own needs.

Hey guys.
Aplysia Vejun
Children of Agasul
#8 - 2014-10-13 07:12:48 UTC
Ignore this CODE-crap. Just use a tanked Procurer and you will be fine. You CAN be ganked but its so rare that it doesnt matter. Witb a Procurer you can mine for about 20minutes.
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#9 - 2014-10-13 09:23:00 UTC
Get a Retriever, insure it, mine in 0.8 and up, fit it like this:
[Retriever, Miner]
Damage Control II
Power Diagnostic System II
Mining Laser Upgrade II

Medium Shield Extender II

Strip Miner I
Strip Miner I

Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I

Hobgoblin II x5

You should be alright and losses are easily recovered with insurance. Seriously, if there's a exhumer around with half your tank, they'll go for that one.

Sovereignty and Population

New Mining Mechanics
Charax Bouclier
Silvershield Universal
#10 - 2014-10-13 14:23:34 UTC
Hannibal Crusoe wrote:
Screwhead checking in.
Bravo to you Mr. Tesla for actually giving sound fitting advice and not mentioning a mining laser upgrade.

As for semi afk being acceptable I must respectfully disagree if this was referring to any un docked activity.



Semi-AFK mining should be acceptable from a cost/benefit POV until CODE's in-game ganking catches up to its forum rhetoric on the subject.

BTW, that is not a shot at CODE as I think your cause is just. I just think you're short manpower to actually have miners adjust their behavior after doing a cost/benefit analysis on ths risk of being ganked.
ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#11 - 2014-10-13 16:16:11 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD LackOfFaith
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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#12 - 2014-10-13 17:15:45 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Kaisuko Mayaki wrote:
hello! I am fairly new to eve (1-2 weeks) and i'm trying to get into mining to make some money. Currently i'm afk mining kernite for the most part in a venture but i want to know what i should aim for based on my playstyle. I'm currently training to be able to use better ORE ships like the procurer but it will be a few days before ive finished the skills.

Anyways, I would really like to be able to mine and not have to really do much for about 30 minute periods atleast. I will still be at the game in case i get ganked or anything But it would ideal that I would be able to not have to interact for roughly 30 minute periods. (other than changing asteroids - of course) With my current set up im filling my hold in about 5-10 minutes which is awesome but its requiring a lot of back and forth from me. Thanks!



Really, stop doing AFK mining, it is bad.

Not only in terms of safety but also in efficiency.

Not to forget, why would you pay for a game...and then don't play it.

Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy

Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded

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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#13 - 2014-10-13 17:32:20 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Kaisuko Mayaki wrote:
hello! I am fairly new to eve (1-2 weeks) and i'm trying to get into mining to make some money. Currently i'm afk mining kernite for the most part in a venture but i want to know what i should aim for based on my playstyle. I'm currently training to be able to use better ORE ships like the procurer but it will be a few days before ive finished the skills.

Anyways, I would really like to be able to mine and not have to really do much for about 30 minute periods atleast. I will still be at the game in case i get ganked or anything But it would ideal that I would be able to not have to interact for roughly 30 minute periods. (other than changing asteroids - of course) With my current set up im filling my hold in about 5-10 minutes which is awesome but its requiring a lot of back and forth from me. Thanks!



Really, stop doing AFK mining, it is bad.

Not only in terms of safety but also in efficiency.

Not to forget, why would you pay for a game...and then don't play it.


While I agree with you on many things, we'll never see eye-to-eye on this one.

I see nothing wrong with AFK mining. Or more specifically, semi-AFK. You need to weigh the cost effectiveness to see if it works for you, though. Sure, it's less efficient, but you can be focused on another character or homework or whatever. So anything you make is gravy.

If you tank your ship, stay out of popular systems and work belts that have a some other ships that are more tempting targets for gankers, you can keep your losses to a minimum.

The thing is, once gankers land on grid, you are pretty much screwed whether you are AFK or not. You can spend all your time running d-scan, labeling known gank corps and stressing out every time someone appears in local. Or just accept that you are going to take the occasional loss but in the end you'll come out ahead in ISK while doing next to nothing to acquire it. It's your choice.

Mr Epeen Cool
Netan MalDoran
Hail To The King
The Silent Syndicate
#14 - 2014-10-14 00:15:20 UTC
Fit a dessie with blasters, then go make some wrecks.

Or just mine until you unsub, which will be soon...

"Your security status has been lowered." - Hell yeah it was!

Falcon's truth
Shiloh Templeton
Cheyenne HET Co
#15 - 2014-10-14 01:03:58 UTC
It's not a good idea to post it on the forums (because people can find out where you are in Eve if they know your char name), but the majority of people mining in Eve are semi-AFK at least part of the time. It doesn't require your undivided attention. There are only a few areas of high-sec that I've come across that have frequent ganking of miners. If you are mining in a tanked Procurer or Skiff they will ignore you for an easier target (unless you go out of your way to provoke them).

After you know what you are doing, you can get a Retriever as a 2nd mining barge that you use when you are paying attention or confident the system is safe. It has a bigger hold so you won't have to haul to a station as often.

As an aside, I prefer to mine in an area where CODE operates. It makes for a more interesting game of cat and mouse - and it scares off some of the mining competition.

J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#16 - 2014-10-14 09:14:27 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
Kaisuko Mayaki wrote:
hello! I am fairly new to eve (1-2 weeks) and i'm trying to get into mining to make some money. Currently i'm afk mining kernite for the most part in a venture but i want to know what i should aim for based on my playstyle. I'm currently training to be able to use better ORE ships like the procurer but it will be a few days before ive finished the skills.

Anyways, I would really like to be able to mine and not have to really do much for about 30 minute periods atleast. I will still be at the game in case i get ganked or anything But it would ideal that I would be able to not have to interact for roughly 30 minute periods. (other than changing asteroids - of course) With my current set up im filling my hold in about 5-10 minutes which is awesome but its requiring a lot of back and forth from me. Thanks!



Really, stop doing AFK mining, it is bad.

Not only in terms of safety but also in efficiency.

Not to forget, why would you pay for a game...and then don't play it.


While I agree with you on many things, we'll never see eye-to-eye on this one.

I see nothing wrong with AFK mining. Or more specifically, semi-AFK. You need to weigh the cost effectiveness to see if it works for you, though. Sure, it's less efficient, but you can be focused on another character or homework or whatever. So anything you make is gravy.

If you tank your ship, stay out of popular systems and work belts that have a some other ships that are more tempting targets for gankers, you can keep your losses to a minimum.

The thing is, once gankers land on grid, you are pretty much screwed whether you are AFK or not. You can spend all your time running d-scan, labeling known gank corps and stressing out every time someone appears in local. Or just accept that you are going to take the occasional loss but in the end you'll come out ahead in ISK while doing next to nothing to acquire it. It's your choice.

Mr Epeen Cool



Then go trading.

With same amount of attention you can not only make way more ISK but also at a lot lower risk if you know what you are doing.

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Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded

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BrundleMeth
State War Academy
Caldari State
#17 - 2014-10-14 10:02:48 UTC
I came here looking for the post someone liked. Found the thread cleaned up. Meaning my post is gone...
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#18 - 2014-10-14 15:38:26 UTC
BrundleMeth wrote:
I came here looking for the post someone liked. Found the thread cleaned up. Meaning my post is gone...


It happens sometimes. Hundreds of times for some of us Blink

Mr Epeen Cool
Marc Callan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2014-10-14 16:12:13 UTC
I'd say that if you're going to mine, keep at least one eye on the screen, and if you have to go AFK, either dock up, or find a safe and logout until you can come back. Barring some ISBoxer rolling through with a bunch of zombie barges, the rocks should still be there when you get back.

(And read Rudyard Kipling's "Dane-geld".)

"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." - Kurt Vonnegurt
ForTheEmpire2014
Doomheim
#20 - 2014-10-15 08:16:52 UTC
Roughly 12-15 minutes to fill. You will need to cycle your mining lasers as needed.


The Procurer
Pretty straight forward stuff:

Evelopedia - Procurer
Evelopedia is a good start

UniWiki - Procurer
Eve University is a good experience for many players, consider joining.

note: Eve releases and patches may change things, alway read release notes for your ships!


Sample Fitting Guide

Shield tanks for all purpose resists. Change to suit the situation or your own preferences.
Choose 5x light drones for rats, and 5x of your choice (Warrior IIs are common).

Procurer, T2
(38 days training, 32 days with neural remap Mem=27,Int=21)

[Procurer, Procurer II]
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Damage Control II

Medium Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Survey Scanner II

Modulated Strip Miner II

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I


Warrior II x5
Hobgoblin II x5

Benefits: Very tough to kill. Does a substantial amount of drone damage (with skills)
Detriments: Smaller ore hold than it's cousins, single mining laser.
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