Wormholes

It's been a topic of discussion across this forum, quality podcasts and OOG haunts of Eve players for a long time.

We all know here is where you want to be for quality pew, high value ganks and the best environment to really exercise those predator instincts so why are so few groups moving in and developing?

Appreciate this is also a question that's been asked before and perhaps those newer groups are keeping their heads down for fear of eviction/lack of interest in out of game media or whathaveyou, but the 'incursions are better ISK/hr' argument rings hollow and blaming Fozzie for the WH changes is demonstrably baseless - despite frigholes being a little pointless (unless the sleeper loot lore shenanigans result in T3 frigs, in which case GG CCP).

Personally, I'd like to see more chestbeating from w-space groups. More propaganda, more presence in reddit, Eve-O forums and wherever the hell else telling people how spiffy things are here so the next time our crew fights someone it's a fresh group. The next time we open a hole the dead POSes we logged 3 months ago have been superseded by new ones. The next time we look to recruit they're not all coming from dead nullbear organisations or failing w-space blob alliances.

Scanning chains is easier than ever before. Acess to every corner of New Eden is still available daily. GFs still occur more often than is ever reported. The ISK isn't as great as it used to be but it's still better than scrubbing around in low for DEDs or running missions. Maybe if we open our arms we can catalyse the change we all want to see in the space we live and love.

Fear. Fear of losing everything.

People have this opinion of wormholes being this place with an incredibly high bar of entry in a game which already has a huge bar of entry learning curvewise.


That sort of filters out a lot of people who might otherwise come here.


Tl;dr Scanning is hard?

scanning/rolling for possibility of a fight when the majority of time people POS up is great if you either have enough people or have no life. It's way easier to wait for a ping, log in, get on titan, and go straight to fight.

Even finding fights in general is easier in LS.

When you don't want to make a massive time commitment, WH space blows.

Some of us actually enjoy the thrill of the hunt.

Well the most common reasons are the fact that there's not nearly as much PVP for the PVP pilots as elsewhere, and when there is, it's mostly numbers-based ganking with little skill or tactics involved, and there's too much risk for PVE pilots. And everything involves more effort than elsewhere. Scanning with a mapper is a massive time-sink.

I have seen / been commited in 5 evictions attempt in wh <=C4 in 4 or 5 months.

It happens ...

From the POV of a small wh corp CEO trying to build a wh corp in low class wh, it is ... So ******* hard.

Reasons are well known :
1- risk vs reward balance is bad in low class
2- Hyperion release is a disaster for small corp
3- Nothing can be done solo
4- Skills needed for pilot (T3 mandatory)
5- Skills & knowledge needed for the player (lots of things to know)
( EDIT : And i forgot the discipline needed, lots of player can't bear that)

Reasons 1, 2 and 3 could be fixed by CCP.
Reasons 4 et 5 are just nice as it is.

If you want more people in low class wh, up the blue loots reward and remove Hyperion (mass based jump distance especially).
It is the only way.

It is a disaster. We have lost the ability to roll quickly connexions. It is too time consuming now.
Controlling the environement is a core basic in wormhole exploitation.



What can i check instead of the kb with your system name ?



They are. We try to play with low skilled pilots in BC and it is a pain. We do it anyway because we want to bring more people in wspace, especially new players, but it is hard.



I don't know what you put under the basics but to train an autonomous wormhole player it takes months.

Oh, please. It takes a bunch of days until people learn how to scan a wormhole and 20secs on eve-survival to check how-to ISK. Then you tell people to use dscan and you're ready. Maybe add a boot camp on wormholian behaviour and explain choke points. Yeah, elite wormholian successfully educated.
Literally the only difference between w-space and k-space is having to scan the outgate and that local thingy.

I didn't see any news in your ranks in the last encounter, all basis/ishtars/tengus/HICs. And given your enthusiasm to fight I'd rather blame that instead of a rumored T3-meta.

Ed: Might be that I ran into one of your alliance-bros, so excuse that little detail please.

Also there are people moving into W-space, but most are not capable of launching the fleet to deal with anybody c4 and up.

They aren't large groups, and they generally don't grandstand. There are some farmers, some 2 to 3 solo groups, etc.

Thinking straight off the top of my head though, the main "issue" people don't see others is probably because its easy to "blueball" in wormhole space. Just wait a day, hole collapses, and unless they plan on evicting you, you are fine.

This is a issue with POS's itself though (aka to get people to fight, you have to threaten to evict them, then follow through with it, but killing pos's suck in c4 and below).

To be blunt though, lack of conflict drivers. The only current one is having "a grudge". Wspace needs to be worth a little more or there needs to be a reason to fight over something.