EVE General Discussion

THIS IS NOT ... a thread debating if POS's should be allowed in wormholes or not.

Please stay on topic

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There have been quite a few WH threads on here over the last few days that I have read. There has even been the odd interesting post.

One theme that keeps being brought up is that W-Space is full of abandoned or not used POS's.

My friends and I are quite new to the game about 5 months old and we have been trying out different aspects of EvE from Low-sec PvP to FW and now we have just set-up as we like to describe a little out-post in a wormhole.

When we where initially daytrippping WH's we also noted a lot of POS's and it quickly became clear that scanning a POS was not a reason to avoid the system.

We then started looking for these POS's and in our noobness we asked each other... If it is offline can we steal it??.

The more I think about it the more it seems like a good idea, and why shouldn't we be able to? it was our natural complusion!

Maybe there is a time delay from going off-line until it gets a further status called "Abandoned". if it is then "Abandoned" for a further period of time and not re-occupied it falls out of orbit and self destructs!

I am sure there are market ramifications for this and it might hurt POS manufacturing in the short term etc etc.

Discuss (I expect nothing other than the usual quality of replies).

P.S. Never write a forum post on here without copy and pasting it. Hitting the post button rarely seems to post anything!

POS control tower stands on its own because of how long they take to destroy them. Directional scan (D-scan) for Force Fields.

Yeah, I would like to see high hacking skills used to get control towers to repackage when they are found offline.

Or, maybe capture it and start using it for your own purposes. I really like the idea of discovering abandoned player-built POSes and bringing them online. Adds to the exploration factor.

POSs in WHs are still wrong IMO. It's a 0.0 system, you shouldn't be as safe as essentially high-sec when it comes to what can bash down your tower.

Gonna assume they don't wanna build a cap inside your hole, and we're talking about C4 and below:

You put up a large tower. Keep this fueled and death/dickstar it, and the most they can bring to you are battleships (Battlecruisers in a C1). I know there's a lot of people that have bashed towers in battleships and I think you'll all agree, it's mindless boring as **** thankless work. Very rarely do you get anything substantial at the end of it, in terms of gameplay or ISK, and the job is so dull and crap that any satisfaction you get at the end is just for the fact that it's finally over and you can go sleep cos it's 5am. Throw into this the dickstar tower and mass constrictions. This means that unless you find a HS each time, you can't bring forces into the hole (The chances of rolling the connection back on anything over than a C6 aren't worth it). Now when you're there, you're getting jammed to hell every so often, making it take all that longer.

C5/C6 are both different. C5s the only real way is to Cap-Inject: Have a scout in that WH find every nullsec he can over a while. Any which are in range of your caps, bring 3 in and logoffski. Caps bash POS, it's just a small nullsec pos-bash fleet.

C6s you have the option of force rolling the hole to get the target back again. There are so few C6s that this is a practical task (as shown the excellent Clarion Call vid). Of course, you require caps inside your hole, but that's no massive deal. This can give larger pos-bash fleets.

Side note to those that want moongoo in WHs: Not until the moongoo can be stolen/denied without smashing down the entire tower. Otherwise you have a fairly safe tower with a massive ISK printing machine.

To get back on topic, I rather like the OP's suggestion that long abandoned POS towers take on a new "abandoned" status and be conquerable, repackagable, etc.

Make it the same 30+ days inactivity timer that an anchored GSC goes by perhaps.

You can take it down. That wasn't the point of my post. The point was that the effort and more importantly the time is, as both of you above said, really not worth it unless you have a massive reason to be there.

This would be great for small few man corps in hisec, since every 0.5 system is full of offline ancient pos's. Then again, it wouldn't really take too much people to burn that pos without shields. That said, there seems to be some amount of hisec corps who already are doing the cleaning job and wardeccing just to smash offlined ones.

I can still imagine this would be good thing in WH's.

I'd go so far as to say that if a POS is offline, it should be vulnerable to hacking attacks. Once it's hacked, it's hacked to your corp and you can online or unanchor it.

This should be doable in hisec as well as low/null/ws, to clean out all the placeholder/abandoned POSes in hisec.

Yeah, that's a better mechanic than abandoned timers.

Hack it - make the chance really small and/or require several successes so it takes a little while (at least 10 minutes) - and then give it a reinforced timer where the original owners get eve mail and a time period to try and come un-hack it and put it back online.

I like where you're going with this... but I think the reinforced timer would wind up hurting the efforts to clean out wormholes of their abandoned POS's with little to no chance of the prior owners finding entry to the abandoned system to reactivate it. If you're in empire, you have little to no chance at all of finding any particular wormhole system on short notice. Plus the poor bugger that did the hacking may be up against his own way home being EoL so time's an issue there.