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Machariel vs. Vindicator for incursions
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hgedsku
Doomheim
#1 - 2011-12-13 05:17:18 UTC
I can decide which to skill for (L Blasters or L Autocannons) to do incursions.
Vindicator has a lot more raw dps but way less range. Not sure what is better.
So far I'm leaning towards the mach but looking for others advise. (preferably if you've flown both)
Cambarus
The Baros Syndicate
#2 - 2011-12-13 05:42:54 UTC
Unless you're planning on running the sites solo, a mach is better.
mkjkgkvk Melkan
Doomheim
#3 - 2011-12-13 05:47:36 UTC
vindicator every single time just needs sebos thing spits dps like its a dread
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#4 - 2011-12-13 12:34:13 UTC
mkjkgkvk Melkan wrote:
vindicator every single time just needs sebos thing spits dps like its a dread

If by "like" a dread you mean "10% of a dread" then your definition flies.

Mach, every time. Most blitz fleets out there are entirely Machs and Nightmares in their DPS composition. Regardless of any actual difference in effectiveness, you will get more fleet invites with one of those; so a mach in your case.

In reality, you start doing DPS in the range of 50-70km in an OTA site, so Nightmares and Machs are the ship of choice.

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Cambarus
The Baros Syndicate
#5 - 2011-12-13 14:01:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Cambarus
Machs and NMs tend to kill things faster in OTAs and NMCs, and since NCOs tend to be the domain of the t3/zealot fleets (though a vindi is by FAR the best BS for them, a single vindi can clear an NCO in about 5 minutes) you won't see as many invites with a vindi as you would with a mach.
Khanh'rhh wrote:
mkjkgkvk Melkan wrote:
vindicator every single time just needs sebos thing spits dps like its a dread

If by "like" a dread you mean "10% of a dread" then your definition flies.
If you have a dread fit that does 20k DPS I would love to see it Big smile
Songbird
#6 - 2011-12-13 15:00:40 UTC
IIRC moros does 16k
DeepfriedTator
Moo Cow Moo
#7 - 2011-12-13 15:45:44 UTC
First off I fly a NM and a vindi and a bhal upon request. With the recent changes to hybrids.. .5 sec reload. ( the other suck and has had no actual difference) I fly both and the dps is only slightly different in these 2. I dont fly a mach yet as I can't use L T2 guns yet for the mach.

Um as far as NMC's and OTA's I use Null ammo for that. I can get 1k volleys on ships 50km out in my vindi. NCO's, you wont do any better in shield ship than a vindi. I fly a dual web vindi and I destroy NCO's using void ammo.

The T2 fitted NM does more damage at 25km range plus than the vindi but closer than that the vindi will out dps it.

I can't speak for a mach as i said as I dont fly the cookie cutter yet
Goose99
#8 - 2011-12-13 16:32:49 UTC
Vindicators used to be better in the early days of Incursions, but site contest killed it.

Armor Mach has the locking speed, agility, and sig of smaller hulls. Shield Mach has the dps of BS.

Mach is the only BS capable of contesting NCOs/NMCs against Legion fleets, because it doesn't handle like a BS. Legions lock fast, has the dmg projection at medium range to reach spawn site, minimizing transversal, tracks well, and instapop rats as they spawn. Armor Mach can match locking time, tracking, and dmg projection at medium range, thus able to contest with "standard incursion issue" Legion fleet. Anything that needs to wait for rats to get into range, or webs to slow them down, won't get kills.

Mach is the only BS capable of contesting OTAs against NM fleets, because it handles like a BS. NM has raw dmg, and can project it, unlike Blasterboat. Shield Mach both matches NM dps and its projection.

Locking time - dps - projection - speed - agility - sig - Winmatar
Opertone
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2011-12-13 17:17:52 UTC
forgive me my bad knowledge of the subject...

why do not people use Maelstroms instead of Machariels? Risking 1 bill+ ship is not safe.

This post sums up why the 'best' work with DCM inc.

WARP DRIVE makes eve boring

really - add warping align time 300% on gun aggression and eve becomes great again
Goose99
#10 - 2011-12-13 17:27:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Goose99
Opertone wrote:
forgive me my bad knowledge of the subject...

why do not people use Maelstroms instead of Machariels? Risking 1 bill+ ship is not safe.


They do, just like the Rokhs. They get in fleets with the other Rokhs, and don't get paid in sites due to contests.

Locking time/dps/projection/sig/speed/agility/etc. Mael is the size of a BS and handles like a BS, with the dps and projection fitting for its price.
Cambarus
The Baros Syndicate
#11 - 2011-12-13 19:34:28 UTC
DeepfriedTator wrote:
First off I fly a NM and a vindi and a bhal upon request. With the recent changes to hybrids.. .5 sec reload. ( the other suck and has had no actual difference)
Yeah, that 25% extra tracking that blasters got is totally useless.