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Mission salvager, misuse of Scythe
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Heather Austrene
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2014-10-13 06:43:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Heather Austrene
The game lacks a reasonable salvage ship. This is the best I've come up with.

The Noctis is overpriced and its capabilities wouldn't be used because I use drones to salvage. What is needed is just a basic industrial that can fly drones, but no such thing exists.

Sad to do this to this poor ship though.

[Scythe, Salvage]
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
EM Ward Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
10MN Afterburner II

Small Tractor Beam I
Small Tractor Beam I
Drone Link Augmentor I

Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer I
Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer I
Medium Cargohold Optimization I

Salvage Drone I x5
Hobgoblin I x4
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2014-10-13 07:22:06 UTC
Noctis is awesome even if you do use drones. The massive range bonus to tractors makes moving almost unnecessary.

Drop a mobile tractor, launch drones, tractor in the wrecks starting from the furthest (mobile tractor starts with closest) and salvage wrecks that the drones haven't got to yet. Mission space cleared in incredibly short time.
Karak Bol
Low-Sec Survival Ltd.
#3 - 2014-10-13 07:30:13 UTC
Heather Austrene wrote:
What is needed is just a basic industrial that can fly drones, but no such thing exists.



Like a Nereus?
Nalha Saldana
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2014-10-13 10:20:52 UTC
Depends what you want from it, if you only want the salvage and use drones go with a Tristan but if you want the loot the Noctis is unbeatable.

It might be expensive but remember that you can sell the ship when you're done with PvE.
Bagatur I
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2014-10-13 12:08:35 UTC
I used a destroyer for salvaging, a Cormorant to be specific since you get some from career missions.
8 salvagers in highs, MWD and 2 cap rechargers in mids, cargo expanders in lows and salvage rigs.
If you salvage your own missions, take an MTU with your mission boat, fly to the missions pocket, drop the MTU, kill everything, dock, come back in your salvaging ship and salvage. With 8 salvagers it goes really fast, and with cap rechargers you can salvage 2 dozens or wrecks before running out of cap, then just run less salvagers simultaneously.
If mission had too many wrecks too far apart, you can bookmark the location, go do another mission and then come back to this one.
Mister Brutus Kanenald
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2014-10-13 21:45:49 UTC
Pretty much what he just said. When I ran Lvl 4's I would line 3 up, do one, drop MTU, go to the next, same, the next, same. Dock up hop in Noc and go to 1st, by then all loot is collected and wreckage is in a nice little pile. Send drones and use your salvagers, goes very fast.
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#7 - 2014-10-13 23:53:29 UTC
Heather Austrene wrote:
The game lacks a reasonable salvage ship. This is the best I've come up with. ...


You know, there is a reason why we have the freedom to put all kinds of modules on any ship we want to.

Just because a certain ship can do something good doesn't mean you cannot make your boat to something different.

There is no law here that prevents you from fitting a destroyer with tractor beams or battleship with mining lasers.

You pick what you like and can make it happen.

Eve Minions is recruiting.

This is the law of ship progression!

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Chris Winter
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#8 - 2014-10-14 00:23:41 UTC
Heather Austrene wrote:

The Noctis is overpriced and its capabilities wouldn't be used because I use drones to salvage. What is needed is just a basic industrial that can fly drones, but no such thing exists.

If you're going to have a ship specifically for salvaging, why not use salvage modules instead of drones?
Heather Austrene
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2014-10-14 01:10:35 UTC
Chris Winter wrote:
Heather Austrene wrote:

The Noctis is overpriced and its capabilities wouldn't be used because I use drones to salvage. What is needed is just a basic industrial that can fly drones, but no such thing exists.

If you're going to have a ship specifically for salvaging, why not use salvage modules instead of drones?


I suppose I have been using the salvaging process as a time to relax between missions, and manually salvaging is an active process. But also I have been only running L3 missions and the drones do it pretty quickly already. I agree when I am doing L4s I will be more impatient with the speed of the drones.
Arsine Mayhem
Doomheim
#10 - 2014-10-14 01:12:38 UTC
Drop a mobile tractor and use, covers 100km

[Algos, Salvage]

Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II

Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
[Empty Med slot]
[Empty Med slot]

Drone Link Augmentor I
Drone Link Augmentor I
Drone Link Augmentor I
[Empty High slot]
[Empty High slot]
[Empty High slot]

Small Cargohold Optimization I
Small Cargohold Optimization I
Small Cargohold Optimization I


Salvage Drone I x5


Vexor works nice also
Nolak Ataru
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2014-10-17 21:13:15 UTC
Heather Austrene wrote:
The game lacks a reasonable salvage ship. This is the best I've come up with.

The Noctis is overpriced and its capabilities wouldn't be used because I use drones to salvage. What is needed is just a basic industrial that can fly drones, but no such thing exists.

Sad to do this to this poor ship though.

snip badfit


uwotm8?

The Noctis hull is averaging 71m right now. Full fit is somewhere around 94m. You get a 96km tractor range with a 65% access bonus per cycle. That means it is the best ship in the entire game to salvage your mission. Time spent in a L4 directing salvage drones instead of DPS drones is time wasted, flat and simple.

If you CBF to try a noctis or even EFT a fit instead of badposting, join the Pro Synergy chat and ask them how their business works.
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#12 - 2014-10-18 17:42:05 UTC  |  Edited by: IIshira
Heather Austrene wrote:
The game lacks a reasonable salvage ship. This is the best I've come up with.

The Noctis is overpriced and its capabilities wouldn't be used because I use drones to salvage. What is needed is just a basic industrial that can fly drones, but no such thing exists.

Sad to do this to this poor ship though.

[Scythe, Salvage]
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
EM Ward Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
10MN Afterburner II

Small Tractor Beam I
Small Tractor Beam I
Drone Link Augmentor I

Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer I
Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer I
Medium Cargohold Optimization I

Salvage Drone I x5
Hobgoblin I x4



The Noctis is not "overpriced" for salvaging level 4 missions. For level 3 missions it might be. If you only want to salvage with drones why not just put those drones on your DPS ship? That way they can salvage while you're killing stuff.

Drones are too slow for a non AFK salvage ship IMO. If you want to AFK just drop a MTU then come back later with something that has all salvagers in the highs.

I agree that there is a need for a "lesser" salvage ship so a salvage bonused frigate would be interesting for lower level stuff.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#13 - 2014-10-18 17:51:42 UTC
Heather Austrene wrote:
The game lacks a reasonable salvage ship. This is the best I've come up with.

The Noctis is overpriced and its capabilities wouldn't be used because I use drones to salvage.

Shockedwhat?

No.

a Noctis should pay for itself within a day or so.

TIL, you can in fact salvaged wrong.

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Heather Austrene
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2014-10-18 20:53:39 UTC
I get it already, lol. It's becoming a moot point anyhow as my interest in running missions is declining rapidly, and I'm going to join a PvP corp as soon as I find one that looks like a good fit for me.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#15 - 2014-10-18 20:58:43 UTC
The Noctis is awesome. It's the best salvager in the game. Your opening statement is a complete lie.

With the addition of mobile tractors, salvaging has never been easier.

Price is not a balancing factor. Noctis is cheap anyway, only what, 100 mil?

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Heather Austrene
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2014-10-18 21:23:58 UTC
Opps, I said something stupid and everyone has pointed it out, even after I've conceded the fact.

Is there no way to close my own thread like many other forums? There is no point to this thread anymore and there is nothing productive about leaving it open. Perhaps a moderator can close it.
Paranoid Loyd
#17 - 2014-10-18 22:05:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
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Petre en Thielles
Doomheim
#18 - 2014-10-24 14:34:13 UTC
IIshira wrote:
The Noctis is not "overpriced" for salvaging level 4 missions. For level 3 missions it might be. If you only want to salvage with drones why not just put those drones on your DPS ship? That way they can salvage while you're killing stuff.

Drones are too slow for a non AFK salvage ship IMO. If you want to AFK just drop a MTU then come back later with something that has all salvagers in the highs.

I agree that there is a need for a "lesser" salvage ship so a salvage bonused frigate would be interesting for lower level stuff.


If I reprocess low value loot (http://www.homo-programmatis.com/EveRefinery/, great tool) instead of selling everything, I get enough minerals to make a noctis in a day or two. Not level 4's, but nullsec DED's/anomalies.

Heather Austrene
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2014-10-24 14:53:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Heather Austrene
Isk for the ship was never the issue; I've bought a Noctis, I was actually unaware how quickly multiple salvagers could do their thing compared to releasing drones. Almost faster than I can get a target lock on the wrecks. Although I don't use the tractors much because I carry enough MTUs in my mission ship to drop one in each pocket as I fly the mission. I now fully endorse the use of the Noctis.

Not sure what drones to carry since salvage drones are not necessary, perhaps eccm drones to try to escape if someone comes to gank me and I don't see them in time.
Petre en Thielles
Doomheim
#20 - 2014-10-24 15:09:59 UTC
Heather Austrene wrote:
Isk for the ship was never the issue; I've bought a Noctis, I was actually unaware how quickly multiple salvagers could do their thing compared to releasing drones. Almost faster than I can get a target lock on the wrecks. Although I don't use the tractors much because I carry enough MTUs in my mission ship to drop one in each pocket as I fly the mission. I now fully endorse the use of the Noctis.

Not sure what drones to carry since salvage drones are not necessary, perhaps eccm drones to try to escape if someone comes to gank me and I don't see them in time.


Hornet EC-300's is the only thing I ever carry on a noctis.