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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#41 - 2014-10-13 21:52:47 UTC
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Riddle me this: If 95% of null is in a coalition in the old system and 95% of null is in a coalition in the new system, who, exactly are you going to shoot? If you aren't going to shoot your neighbor and you aren't going to shoot the renters, who *exactly* are you going to shoot?



See this is where the grr goon mob falls over themselves. Not only are we not blue to 95% of null but we are currently activly deploying against eachother.

Trii Seo
Goonswarm Federation
#42 - 2014-10-13 22:06:11 UTC
Reading Gevlon is like reading a tabloid. It's humorous, full of buzzwords and sensationalism (tomorrow, I will destroy the LAST MYTH OF THE CFC! etc.) - but, sadly, empty.

Most of his statistical data is misused, it's selectively presented in a light that makes it fit and support the thesis. And, just like a tabloid, he uses the claim of 'data' (misrepresented data, but DATA) backing him up to fool people into thinking it's all legitimate.

He's still funny though - it's like a train wreck in slow-motion. You want to avert your eyes, but just can't stop looking.

Proud pilot of the Imperium

Arek'Jaalan: Heliograph
Solecist Project
#43 - 2014-10-13 22:12:02 UTC
Trii Seo wrote:
Most of his statistical data is misused, it's selectively presented in a light that makes it fit and support the thesis. And, just like a tabloid, he uses the claim of 'data' (misrepresented data, but DATA) backing him up to fool people into thinking it's all legitimate.
I never read his blog before and considered him a nutjob.

Do you have any proof that makes your words more believeable than his?

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Komi Toran
Perkone
Caldari State
#44 - 2014-10-13 22:21:33 UTC
Zappity wrote:
Thankfully, CCP seems to understand this.

Pitty it doesn't understand how to actually do anything about it.

If CCP were a surgeon, it would cure appendicitis with a beheading.
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#45 - 2014-10-13 22:27:30 UTC
Komi Toran wrote:
Zappity wrote:
Thankfully, CCP seems to understand this.

Pitty it doesn't understand how to actually do anything about it.

If CCP were a surgeon, it would cure appendicitis with a beheading.

So you think the changes are too harsh?

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
Falin Whalen
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2014-10-13 22:30:22 UTC
Komi Toran wrote:
Zappity wrote:
Thankfully, CCP seems to understand this.

Pitty it doesn't understand how to actually do anything about it.

If CCP were a surgeon, it would cure appendicitis with a beheading.

What's wrong with that? At lest he doesn't have to worry about appendictis any more. Problem SOLVED! P

"it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves." The Trial - Franz Kafka 
Falin Whalen
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2014-10-13 22:32:46 UTC
Zappity wrote:
Komi Toran wrote:
Zappity wrote:
Thankfully, CCP seems to understand this.

Pitty it doesn't understand how to actually do anything about it.

If CCP were a surgeon, it would cure appendicitis with a beheading.

So you think the changes are too harsh?

It's not that the changes are too harsh, it's that it's not going to do what CCP and you think it is going to do.

"it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves." The Trial - Franz Kafka 
Trii Seo
Goonswarm Federation
#48 - 2014-10-13 22:37:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Trii Seo
Solecist Project wrote:
Trii Seo wrote:
Most of his statistical data is misused, it's selectively presented in a light that makes it fit and support the thesis. And, just like a tabloid, he uses the claim of 'data' (misrepresented data, but DATA) backing him up to fool people into thinking it's all legitimate.
I never read his blog before and considered him a nutjob.

Do you have any proof that makes your words more believeable than his?


Off the top of my hat? He claimed that Powerpoint Coalition was an independent pirate group focused solely on disrupting ratters. While even the powerpoint itself outlined "sov targets and moons" as one of the major goals of their campaign.

He also mixes up terminology - a good instance would be chalking every case of a CFC present on a CFC killmail as an Awox, then claiming "rampant awoxing" among our ranks. Most of those "Awoxes" feature battleships hitting each other with smartbombs (especially when ratting - then they do rack up a significant amount of damage over time which winds up on the lossmail. The smartbomb damage in those cases especially is not a big factor due to hardener setups).

Finally, his method of "filtering" (de-whoring) killmails is very much flawed as it does not present the whole picture of a killmail. Many ships vital to a kill don't even register using that method (HICs on a super - it's pretty normal for a super to be tackled by hictors, but most of the time hictors don't fit guns. Their infinipoints, if used, register for 0.0% damage so by his logic - they don't register. Similar situation for logistics and ECM.)

(EDIT: I could go on - probably write my own blog about how Gevlon is wrong about a lot of things. But those are just a few things I came up with off the top of my amazing hat.)

Proud pilot of the Imperium

Arek'Jaalan: Heliograph
Komi Toran
Perkone
Caldari State
#49 - 2014-10-13 22:43:36 UTC
Zappity wrote:
So you think the changes are too harsh?

The changes change the wrong thing.

You think power projection is bad. I get that. The fact is, power projection exists in game, and it will exist no matter what CCP does for a simple reason:

Player A is ratting in Deklien.
CFC calls op in Delve.
Player A logs off character in Deklien and logs in character in Delve.

POWER PROJECTION!

All that this change does is hit two kinds of players: The kind with a single account, and the ISBoxers. The first kind (of which I am a member) are the small fries in the Eve universe. The second can be solved by just banning ISBoxer. Beyond that, this change has no impact other than making life more tedious.
Solecist Project
#50 - 2014-10-13 22:47:53 UTC
Trii Seo wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
Trii Seo wrote:
Most of his statistical data is misused, it's selectively presented in a light that makes it fit and support the thesis. And, just like a tabloid, he uses the claim of 'data' (misrepresented data, but DATA) backing him up to fool people into thinking it's all legitimate.
I never read his blog before and considered him a nutjob.

Do you have any proof that makes your words more believeable than his?


Off the top of my hat? He claimed that Powerpoint Coalition was an independent pirate group focused solely on disrupting ratters. While even the powerpoint itself outlined "sov targets and moons" as one of the major goals of their campaign.

He also mixes up terminology - a good instance would be chalking every case of a CFC present on a CFC killmail as an Awox, then claiming "rampant awoxing" among our ranks. Most of those "Awoxes" feature battleships hitting each other with smartbombs (especially when ratting - then they do rack up a significant amount of damage over time which winds up on the lossmail. The smartbomb damage in those cases especially is not a big factor due to hardener setups).

Finally, his method of "filtering" (de-whoring) killmails is very much flawed as it does not present the whole picture of a killmail. Many ships vital to a kill don't even register using that method (HICs on a super - it's pretty normal for a super to be tackled by hictors, but most of the time hictors don't fit guns. Their infinipoints, if used, register for 0.0% damage so by his logic - they don't register. Similar situation for logistics and ECM.)

(EDIT: I could go on - probably write my own blog about how Gevlon is wrong about a lot of things. But those are just a few things I came up with off the top of my amazing hat.)
Interesting read.

Still, he adresses some points in his latest entry that do make sense.
He talks about how people work ... and it fits. It does not have to have a lot of ground in reality,
but what he says makes an awfull lot of sense, in regards to human beings at least.

And when he talks about killmails that show people working together ...
... when they most probably should fight instead ...
... that's not really dismissable either, no?


And whatever people say about TMC.com (i read it sometimes) it is not dismissable either
that TMC profits from increased PLEX sales ... so whoever runs TMC profits with it.


And I really have no reason to believe that alliance leaders aren't trying to bank in one way or the other,
with some doing things that are more questionable than others. Humans simply are humans and
there's no conspiracy behind that.



It's dots ... and some of these dots make sense when fit together.


I'd like to know more, please?

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Arsine Mayhem
Doomheim
#51 - 2014-10-13 22:55:27 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Gevlon's analysis is basically correct.

You just have to note how all the coalitions instead of fighting their equals are piing onto the last independent small guys on Provi. PL dropped what, 50 supers and a titan on a single rep carrier worth 1bil last night? Something like that? Such content, much elite, as they say.

Anyhow, to answer your question, no I will not unsub because of the nerf.

Anything that prevents big guys from interfering all over eve is a good thing in my book. nerfs dont go far enough in my opinion.


Yep, CFC, N3, PL are all of what is pathetic in gaming. If you check in on dotlan for months the only real fighting you see is in catch. Click on it and you'll see PL, N3, CFC down there.

PL drops on anything they can in lowsec.

I mean, really, how bad are they. It must be pretty sucky.
Arsine Mayhem
Doomheim
#52 - 2014-10-13 22:57:59 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Quote:

Riddle me this: If 95% of null is in a coalition in the old system and 95% of null is in a coalition in the new system, who, exactly are you going to shoot? If you aren't going to shoot your neighbor and you aren't going to shoot the renters, who *exactly* are you going to shoot?



See this is where the grr goon mob falls over themselves. Not only are we not blue to 95% of null but we are currently activly deploying against eachother.



In your dreams. Months now, only thing you see is in catch.

You're all a bunch of lame.
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#53 - 2014-10-13 23:02:09 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Quote:

Riddle me this: If 95% of null is in a coalition in the old system and 95% of null is in a coalition in the new system, who, exactly are you going to shoot? If you aren't going to shoot your neighbor and you aren't going to shoot the renters, who *exactly* are you going to shoot?



See this is where the grr goon mob falls over themselves. Not only are we not blue to 95% of null but we are currently activly deploying against eachother.


See, this isn't true. If it was, you wouldn't have been complaining of a lack of content for the past 6 months. Sov would be abuzz with activity and no one would have time to complain about the stagnation because it wouldn't exist. Sure, you aren't literally blue to 95% of null, you're just refusing to get into a serious engagement with 95% of null.

And, btw, the same is true of PL and the rest. There's a reason they deployed to the hero/provi "game preserve".
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#54 - 2014-10-13 23:03:48 UTC
Arsine Mayhem wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Quote:

Riddle me this: If 95% of null is in a coalition in the old system and 95% of null is in a coalition in the new system, who, exactly are you going to shoot? If you aren't going to shoot your neighbor and you aren't going to shoot the renters, who *exactly* are you going to shoot?



See this is where the grr goon mob falls over themselves. Not only are we not blue to 95% of null but we are currently activly deploying against eachother.



In your dreams. Months now, only thing you see is in catch.

You're all a bunch of lame.


So said the npc highsec player.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#55 - 2014-10-13 23:18:08 UTC
PotatoOverdoe=baltec1 wrote:
Quote:

Riddle me this: If 95% of null is in a coalition in the old system and 95% of null is in a coalition in the new system, who, exactly are you going to shoot? If you aren't going to shoot your neighbor and you aren't going to shoot the renters, who *exactly* are you going to shoot?



See this is where the grr goon mob falls over themselves. Not only are we not blue to 95% of null but we are currently activly deploying against eachother.


See, this isn't true. If it was, you wouldn't have been complaining of a lack of content for the past 6 months. Sov would be abuzz with activity and no one would have time to complain about the stagnation because it wouldn't exist. Sure, you aren't literally blue to 95% of null, you're just refusing to get into a serious engagement with 95% of null.

And, btw, the same is true of PL and the rest. There's a reason they deployed to the hero/provi "game preserve".[/quote]

The last time we tried an all out brawl we broke the servers and winded up slugging it out for over 20 hours in which about the only thing that worked was titan DDs. Nobody had fun.
Arsine Mayhem
Doomheim
#56 - 2014-10-13 23:57:31 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Arsine Mayhem wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Quote:

Riddle me this: If 95% of null is in a coalition in the old system and 95% of null is in a coalition in the new system, who, exactly are you going to shoot? If you aren't going to shoot your neighbor and you aren't going to shoot the renters, who *exactly* are you going to shoot?



See this is where the grr goon mob falls over themselves. Not only are we not blue to 95% of null but we are currently activly deploying against eachother.



In your dreams. Months now, only thing you see is in catch.

You're all a bunch of lame.


So said the npc highsec player.


Mostly I do NPSI, because,,,,

I don't want to be you.
Arsine Mayhem
Doomheim
#57 - 2014-10-14 00:00:32 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
PotatoOverdoe=baltec1 wrote:
Quote:

Riddle me this: If 95% of null is in a coalition in the old system and 95% of null is in a coalition in the new system, who, exactly are you going to shoot? If you aren't going to shoot your neighbor and you aren't going to shoot the renters, who *exactly* are you going to shoot?



See this is where the grr goon mob falls over themselves. Not only are we not blue to 95% of null but we are currently activly deploying against eachother.


See, this isn't true. If it was, you wouldn't have been complaining of a lack of content for the past 6 months. Sov would be abuzz with activity and no one would have time to complain about the stagnation because it wouldn't exist. Sure, you aren't literally blue to 95% of null, you're just refusing to get into a serious engagement with 95% of null.

And, btw, the same is true of PL and the rest. There's a reason they deployed to the hero/provi "game preserve".


The last time we tried an all out brawl we broke the servers and winded up slugging it out for over 20 hours in which about the only thing that worked was titan DDs. Nobody had fun.


It's just the assigned goon propaganda troll.

You can't believe anything it says.

Thank you, drive thru.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#58 - 2014-10-14 00:02:01 UTC
Arsine Mayhem wrote:

Mostly I do NPSI, because,,,,

I don't want to be you.


No, you do it for the same reason people drive hybrid cars, carry froo froo purse dogs, or go "gluten free" without having a digestive disease.

So you can hold your nose in the air and try to fool yourself into thinking that you're any better than anyone else.

But the mere fact that you try so hard is a giant beacon of your inferiority, that everyone around you can see.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Arsine Mayhem
Doomheim
#59 - 2014-10-14 00:07:08 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Arsine Mayhem wrote:

Mostly I do NPSI, because,,,,

I don't want to be you.


No, you do it for the same reason people drive hybrid cars, carry froo froo purse dogs, or go "gluten free" without having a digestive disease.

So you can hold your nose in the air and try to fool yourself into thinking that you're any better than anyone else.

But the mere fact that you try so hard is a giant beacon of your inferiority, that everyone around you can see.


Oh, I planned going to null, but, like I said, I won't be sheep. That is all any of you are.

I will not be you.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#60 - 2014-10-14 00:07:28 UTC
Quote:


It's just the assigned goon propaganda troll.

You can't believe anything it says.

Thank you, drive thru.


So said the npc player who wasn't there.