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The ISBoxer Saga

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BrundleMeth
State War Academy
Caldari State
#141 - 2014-10-13 11:12:25 UTC  |  Edited by: BrundleMeth
Voxinian wrote:
If it were up to me all players would only be allowed to have one active alt account (for scout/cyno) and thats it.
Completely idiotic and completely unenforceable. You're boring, please never post again...

Yang Aurilen wrote:
Face it you're just having a bout of sour grapes with isboxers. You also lose all forms of credibility the moment you attack someone about their real life over a VIDEO GAME.

Exactly...

Very soon he will be spouting off about us living in our moms basement and using her credit card to buy PLEX...

(LOL, I live in my DAD's basement... HAHAHA)...
KatanTharkay
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#142 - 2014-10-13 11:17:07 UTC
Darn CCP, please adjust the fleet commands so I could fly all the ships in the fleet with just one click rather than relying on a third party software to achieve the same thing. And the drone assist nerf 'cause it was OP is laughable, I don't need to assist drones using multiboxing software, my drones still follow 1 command no matter how many they are. So please unnerf it, smart people already bypassed that.
Adrie Atticus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#143 - 2014-10-13 11:17:21 UTC
Nidal Fervor wrote:
Voxinian wrote:
I haven't followed the discussion closely, but I am against letting a program flying ships in sync. This is not playing EVE as intended, has nothing to do anymore with playing an MMO. EVE ships needs to be flown by players directly and not 'one click flies all ships in a fleet'. If it were up to me all players would only be allowed to have one active alt account (for scout/cyno) and thats it. I also wonder if CCP has an idea of how gamers that haven't played EVE yet percieve this way of playing. If I never would have played EVE and read about people using like 8 accounts to fly a fleet with a program to cause havok to solo players with one account then I might not even have bothered with EVE.... as it has nothing to do with game mechanics, but a 3rd party exploit to manipulate the game beyond the normal ingame mechanics.


This.

Many potential customers will see the problem EVE has with those who go to extremes of playing with with 20 or 30 accounts and just not bother to even try the game because of it.

There is also likely those who try the game and after seeing this kind of behaviour first hand decide to quit.

Bottom line. While isboxer fleets get more alt accounts made by those obsessive enough to play that way, it also drives paying customers away from the game. And the average isboxer is making enough isk to subscribe in market purchased plex, so all you end up with is less paying customers and more plexing isboxer alt fleets (in turn driving away more paying customers).

The longer this is allowed to go on for, the more damage it does. If EVE just ends up known for its massive isboxer fleets everywhere, do you think people will still want to play this game? (other than the isboxer fleets). This is already happening in some areas. Gallente space for example, some of the ice field systems have 5 or 6 players with 20-30 man mining fleets each, and these 5 players account for most of the players in this area.


Where do PLEXes come from?

Multibox fleets are only in existence in hisec for mining and then 3 groups have SB boxers, Ammzi, wheniaminspace and replicator. Those SB groups can be mitigated pretty easily, but they will wreck your day if you screw up.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#144 - 2014-10-13 11:21:17 UTC
Adrie Atticus wrote:
Nidal Fervor wrote:
Voxinian wrote:
I haven't followed the discussion closely, but I am against letting a program flying ships in sync. This is not playing EVE as intended, has nothing to do anymore with playing an MMO. EVE ships needs to be flown by players directly and not 'one click flies all ships in a fleet'. If it were up to me all players would only be allowed to have one active alt account (for scout/cyno) and thats it. I also wonder if CCP has an idea of how gamers that haven't played EVE yet percieve this way of playing. If I never would have played EVE and read about people using like 8 accounts to fly a fleet with a program to cause havok to solo players with one account then I might not even have bothered with EVE.... as it has nothing to do with game mechanics, but a 3rd party exploit to manipulate the game beyond the normal ingame mechanics.


This.

Many potential customers will see the problem EVE has with those who go to extremes of playing with with 20 or 30 accounts and just not bother to even try the game because of it.

There is also likely those who try the game and after seeing this kind of behaviour first hand decide to quit.

Bottom line. While isboxer fleets get more alt accounts made by those obsessive enough to play that way, it also drives paying customers away from the game. And the average isboxer is making enough isk to subscribe in market purchased plex, so all you end up with is less paying customers and more plexing isboxer alt fleets (in turn driving away more paying customers).

The longer this is allowed to go on for, the more damage it does. If EVE just ends up known for its massive isboxer fleets everywhere, do you think people will still want to play this game? (other than the isboxer fleets). This is already happening in some areas. Gallente space for example, some of the ice field systems have 5 or 6 players with 20-30 man mining fleets each, and these 5 players account for most of the players in this area.


Where do PLEXes come from?

Multibox fleets are only in existence in hisec for mining and then 3 groups have SB boxers, Ammzi, wheniaminspace and replicator. Those SB groups can be mitigated pretty easily, but they will wreck your day if you screw up.
They just like to cling on to ridiculous arguments.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Voxinian
#145 - 2014-10-13 11:28:52 UTC
BrundleMeth wrote:
Voxinian wrote:
If it were up to me all players would only be allowed to have one active alt account (for scout/cyno) and thats it.
Completely idiotic and completely unenforceable. You're boring, please never post again...


Or you just reply maturly and say you disagree. "Please never post again", I pay for a sub so I have just as much right to post my opinion as others. Or do you think you have more rights then me cos you are using multi accounts, or are you a narcist thats only interested in your own opinion and view on things?
Mag's
Azn Empire
#146 - 2014-10-13 11:38:03 UTC
Voxinian wrote:
BrundleMeth wrote:
Voxinian wrote:
If it were up to me all players would only be allowed to have one active alt account (for scout/cyno) and thats it.
Completely idiotic and completely unenforceable. You're boring, please never post again...


Or you just reply maturly and say you disagree. "Please never post again", I pay for a sub so I have just as much right to post my opinion as others. Or do you think you have more rights then me cos you are using multi accounts, or are you a narcist thats only interested in your own opinion and view on things?
Wasn't it you that belittled multiboxers saying that they are"desperately trying to compensate for some other real life shortcommings"?

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Voxinian
#147 - 2014-10-13 12:00:35 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Voxinian wrote:
BrundleMeth wrote:
Voxinian wrote:
If it were up to me all players would only be allowed to have one active alt account (for scout/cyno) and thats it.
Completely idiotic and completely unenforceable. You're boring, please never post again...


Or you just reply maturly and say you disagree. "Please never post again", I pay for a sub so I have just as much right to post my opinion as others. Or do you think you have more rights then me cos you are using multi accounts, or are you a narcist thats only interested in your own opinion and view on things?
Wasn't it you that belittled multiboxers saying that they are"desperately trying to compensate for some other real life shortcommings"?

Nice quoting half a sentence. I added to that that I can't look into the heads of other players. I can't give an other explaination of why some players are so fanatic about using 20 accounts all doing the same thing with a single click. I m probably to oldschool to get the reasoning behind it, it does seem to be related about something more then just playing a game.
BrundleMeth
State War Academy
Caldari State
#148 - 2014-10-13 12:30:46 UTC
Voxinian wrote:
BrundleMeth wrote:
Voxinian wrote:
If it were up to me all players would only be allowed to have one active alt account (for scout/cyno) and thats it.
Completely idiotic and completely unenforceable. You're boring, please never post again...
...or are you a narcist thats only interested in your own opinion and view on things?

Thats is pretty much it...on everything in my life...others can have their opinions, I just don't care about them...

So please never post again...
Solecist Project
#149 - 2014-10-13 12:37:44 UTC
Voxinian wrote:
People needing to use a dozen accounts take playing a game way to seriously or desperately trying to compensate for some other real life shortcommings (I can't look inside their heads).

So first you look into their heads ...
... and then you claim that you can't.

You need to stop projecting your issues onto these people.


It seems, based on your writings,
that it is you who is compensating for reallife shortcomings ...
... and because they do it in a better way than you do ...
... you are angry about it.


I'm not even saying that you are aware that you are just compensating ...
... but I do hope that you realise, first and foremost, that you are projecting.


You are seriously dismissing yourself from the topic ...
... by making it so nonsensically personal ...
... which proves me right, btw.


Thanks.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Yang Aurilen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#150 - 2014-10-13 12:59:14 UTC
Voxinian wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Voxinian wrote:
BrundleMeth wrote:
Voxinian wrote:
If it were up to me all players would only be allowed to have one active alt account (for scout/cyno) and thats it.
Completely idiotic and completely unenforceable. You're boring, please never post again...


Or you just reply maturly and say you disagree. "Please never post again", I pay for a sub so I have just as much right to post my opinion as others. Or do you think you have more rights then me cos you are using multi accounts, or are you a narcist thats only interested in your own opinion and view on things?
Wasn't it you that belittled multiboxers saying that they are"desperately trying to compensate for some other real life shortcommings"?

Nice quoting half a sentence. I added to that that I can't look into the heads of other players. I can't give an other explaination of why some players are so fanatic about using 20 accounts all doing the same thing with a single click. I m probably to oldschool to get the reasoning behind it, it does seem to be related about something more then just playing a game.


You want a reason? So the ISBoxer can get ahead of the next guy in front of him morals be damned. Heck I can make 20 jita alts and .01 ISK everyone out of certain products and you'll hear people whining about Jita 0.01 iskers.

Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
BrundleMeth
State War Academy
Caldari State
#151 - 2014-10-13 13:14:48 UTC
I only have a few active accounts these days down from 7. But after all this whining, I'm gonna check out ISBoxer and see if it's worth running...
Nolak Ataru
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#152 - 2014-10-13 13:49:52 UTC
Voxinian wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Voxinian wrote:
BrundleMeth wrote:
Voxinian wrote:
If it were up to me all players would only be allowed to have one active alt account (for scout/cyno) and thats it.
Completely idiotic and completely unenforceable. You're boring, please never post again...


Or you just reply maturly and say you disagree. "Please never post again", I pay for a sub so I have just as much right to post my opinion as others. Or do you think you have more rights then me cos you are using multi accounts, or are you a narcist thats only interested in your own opinion and view on things?
Wasn't it you that belittled multiboxers saying that they are"desperately trying to compensate for some other real life shortcommings"?

Nice quoting half a sentence. I added to that that I can't look into the heads of other players. I can't give an other explaination of why some players are so fanatic about using 20 accounts all doing the same thing with a single click. I m probably to oldschool to get the reasoning behind it, it does seem to be related about something more then just playing a game.


Because some of us like to do this little thing called "Challenge ourselves". It's hard as hell to get 10+ client overviews and windows exactly the same. It's hard as hell to get income for those accounts that isn't being competed on by hundreds of "regular people".

Some of us aren't here just "leveling our Raven".
Solecist Project
#153 - 2014-10-13 13:53:52 UTC
Yang wrote:

You want a reason? So the ISBoxer can get ahead of the next guy in front of him morals be damned. Heck I can make 20 jita alts and .01 ISK everyone out of certain products and you'll hear people whining about Jita 0.01 iskers.

GRRRRR YANG, I KNEW IT WAS YOU ALL ALONG!!!!

*raises and shakes fist angrily*

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#154 - 2014-10-13 14:13:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Mallak Azaria
Voxinian wrote:
I can't give an other explaination of why some players are so fanatic about using 20 accounts all doing the same thing with a single click. I m probably to oldschool to get the reasoning behind it, it does seem to be related about something more then just playing a game.


I can give an explanation. It is because the game is full of people like you, so we load up a few dozen accounts to do the things that we can't rely on other people to do. It's also a great tool for improving ones ability to multitask effectively

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malcovas Henderson
THoF
#155 - 2014-10-13 14:23:26 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
I don't use ISBoxer but at the same time I don't care if anyone else does use it.

Mr Epeen Cool


These are wise words indeed.
Khema Fera
Doomheim
#156 - 2014-10-13 15:23:44 UTC
Voxinian wrote:
BrundleMeth wrote:
Voxinian wrote:
If it were up to me all players would only be allowed to have one active alt account (for scout/cyno) and thats it.
Completely idiotic and completely unenforceable. You're boring, please never post again...


Or you just reply maturly and say you disagree. "Please never post again", I pay for a sub so I have just as much right to post my opinion as others. Or do you think you have more rights then me cos you are using multi accounts, or are you a narcist thats only interested in your own opinion and view on things?

So. If you pay for a sub, and you're entitled to do things CCP said you could do, why do you think multi boxers who pay subs shouldn't be entitled to do things that CCP said they could do?
Biene Sticht
Bienenstich
#157 - 2014-10-13 15:34:01 UTC
The bullshit of ISboxing exist sice my main began to play. I really don´t like this ****. But CCP will never do against these fEvilg people, cause i think they are over 50% of the account´s the play every day. Without them and the idiot´s how bought for € or $ or what else, CCP will be ruined in a few month. For a lot of German players it´s for enough and i will close 3 of my accounts too until the (for me) exploit will be removed from CCP. Thank´s for this bullshit CCP.
Adrie Atticus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#158 - 2014-10-13 15:39:56 UTC
Biene Sticht wrote:
The bullshit of ISboxing exist sice my main began to play. I really don´t like this ****. But CCP will never do against these fEvilg people, cause i think they are over 50% of the account´s the play every day. Without them and the idiot´s how bought for € or $ or what else, CCP will be ruined in a few month. For a lot of German players it´s for enough and i will close 3 of my accounts too until the (for me) exploit will be removed from CCP. Thank´s for this bullshit CCP.


So if they all change to an another program you will not be mad anymore?
Voxinian
#159 - 2014-10-13 15:44:56 UTC
Khema Fera wrote:
Voxinian wrote:
BrundleMeth wrote:
Voxinian wrote:
If it were up to me all players would only be allowed to have one active alt account (for scout/cyno) and thats it.
Completely idiotic and completely unenforceable. You're boring, please never post again...


Or you just reply maturly and say you disagree. "Please never post again", I pay for a sub so I have just as much right to post my opinion as others. Or do you think you have more rights then me cos you are using multi accounts, or are you a narcist thats only interested in your own opinion and view on things?

So. If you pay for a sub, and you're entitled to do things CCP said you could do, why do you think multi boxers who pay subs shouldn't be entitled to do things that CCP said they could do?


That CCP does allow it does not make it okay, it makes it twice as bad actually.... cos it tells a lot about the vision and standards of CCP.
Adrie Atticus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#160 - 2014-10-13 15:47:44 UTC
Voxinian wrote:
Khema Fera wrote:
Voxinian wrote:
BrundleMeth wrote:
Voxinian wrote:
If it were up to me all players would only be allowed to have one active alt account (for scout/cyno) and thats it.
Completely idiotic and completely unenforceable. You're boring, please never post again...


Or you just reply maturly and say you disagree. "Please never post again", I pay for a sub so I have just as much right to post my opinion as others. Or do you think you have more rights then me cos you are using multi accounts, or are you a narcist thats only interested in your own opinion and view on things?

So. If you pay for a sub, and you're entitled to do things CCP said you could do, why do you think multi boxers who pay subs shouldn't be entitled to do things that CCP said they could do?


That CCP does allow it does not make it okay, it makes it twice as bad actually.... cos it tells a lot about the vision and standards of CCP.


Please tell us the vision on CCP, we're still missing parts 2 and 3 on the nullsec change roadmap. I'm quite eager to hear the rest because Greyscale is holding out on us.