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Beta feature: Multi Sell

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Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#41 - 2014-10-12 04:03:46 UTC
hinthint: i bet you could reuse 90% of the UI for a "buy fitting" feature :P

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Khimi Harar
#42 - 2014-10-12 15:12:41 UTC
Is this supposed to work for the 'simple' selling option where one sells to the best existing buy order without paying the broker's fee for setting up an order?

I suspect that most people who want to use this feature will use it for instantly selling lots of loot from missions, which means that having to pay the brokers fee would be unwarranted.

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Riela Tanal
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#43 - 2014-10-12 18:26:45 UTC
Is there plans for Multi-buy as well?
Eloque
Geuzen Inc
#44 - 2014-10-12 19:29:01 UTC
CCP Punkturis wrote:
Hi,

Team Banana Stand has been working on a Multi Sell feature that we want to have you try out.

Work on that feature is still in progress and the UI is very unpolished but we wanted to let you guys play around with it. Feedback is very welcome in this thread.

You will be able to try it out after Sisi is updated.


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This is awesome news.
CCP Punkturis
C C P
C C P Alliance
#45 - 2014-10-13 10:43:25 UTC
Iam Widdershins wrote:
This is great, cool feature. More than any other game I have ever played, EVE seems to be about collecting fantastic quantities of Stuff. Always good to see more features that reflect that.

What I would most like to see:

* Per-item warnings for over/under market averages, preferably with a tooltip that reflects the difference from expected sale value (for underrun) or total fees/taxes for listing this item (for overrun). Occasional mistakes with these are the things that can really cost a marketeer in the long run. It may have been only once that I listed 200,000 Void L at 350k isk apiece, but the broker fee for that listing cost me well over a day's profits. Selling 300 million ISK in modules at 15% their value wasn't fun either.

* An easily accessible 'view market details' button for each item. Nobody can reliably hit a target they cannot see, and on the market the enemy is in the regional market window.

* Please make sure that the mouse scroll wheel works in these boxes!

Thanks for the great work as always :)



the arrow to the far right gives you an indication on if you're doing over/under average
if you click the arrow you'll open market details on said item Cool

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CCP Punkturis
C C P
C C P Alliance
#46 - 2014-10-13 10:44:00 UTC
Conventia Underking wrote:
Is this supposed to work for the 'simple' selling option where one sells to the best existing buy order without paying the broker's fee for setting up an order?

I suspect that most people who want to use this feature will use it for instantly selling lots of loot from missions, which means that having to pay the brokers fee would be unwarranted.


yes, if your order is set to "immediate" that's what happens

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CCP Punkturis
C C P
C C P Alliance
#47 - 2014-10-13 10:46:55 UTC
Steppa Musana wrote:
Excellent change.

In addition to the interface displaying if the buy price is higher/lower than average, it should as well display the % above/below that average. If this already is possible with mouse hover, I do apologize, dont have access to test server atm


yes it is, with mouse hover Blink

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CCP Punkturis
C C P
C C P Alliance
#48 - 2014-10-13 10:47:32 UTC
Iam Widdershins wrote:
Iomi Alabosa wrote:
This is some of the best news I've seen in a long time. However I don't do test servers -- could you please post images of the UI you have planned so the design can be reviewed? Thanks. For what it's worth, my main priorities in this area ares:

1. Single-action access to a window to sell all items at once with modifications (you seem to have that handled)
2. Columns indicating the standard info for the item in the current market -- average buy/sell prices, etc.
3. Checkbox or other UI item to remove or re-add individual items from the mass sell order

So basically a good workflow would be:

A) Click to activate market -- opens window populated with all items in current hangars (items and ships). Default all items to be sold (checkbox active)

B) Options to remove items from sale (uncheck box), adjust number of each item to be sold (numeric entry box/widget), change sell or buy price (thereby switching from instant sales to "ask" sell orders).

C) Sell button with "are you sure" alert which can be dismissed for future.

Ideally this should create an end product where selling any set of items can be accomplished in two clicks -- activate sell window, confirm sale.

Muchos gracias


These are pretty strong suggestions for the casual seller of acquired goods. I think the main thing most of us are hoping for is More Stuff: don't be afraid of making every item take up two or three times as much vertical space on the form as it does right now; we'll have to scroll through them anyway. Buttons to remove an item from the sale, current market average, etc.

Speaking of scrolling, I may have been a tad too hasty. It's important to me to be able to use the scroll wheel to change prices a few cents, but how well this works is going to be a make-or-break aspect of the feature.

What about: A scroll wheel icon on the right hand side of the number box (like the one for IME typing or the caps lock warning for password entry) that shows that, since you've clicked on this number entry box, mouse scrolls in the window will be captured amd used on the number instead of scrolling the whole thing wildly up and down.

The scroll wheel feature is a basic, major essential for people who use the market frequently; I can't really overstate this. I would much rather be forced to drag the little scroll bar in the window to page up and down than be unable to bump prices up or down a penny by typing "999999.99" every time.

And if there's a good way to allow both, and make it doable and non-frustrating for everyone, that's when you're likely to see a real uptick in usage.

P. S. : When I say it's an essential, I mean that using this feature would actually take longer than selling items one at a time. Scrolling numbers is a lifesaver.


the scrollwheel ups or downs the price by a cent..

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Masao Kurata
Perkone
Caldari State
#49 - 2014-10-13 13:02:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Masao Kurata
Hmm, would it be possible to display the best regional sell and buy orders in the dialog box or the tooltips? I'd actually like to see three indications showing less, equal or greater than best regional buy order, regional average and best regional sell order. This would mostly replace having to open market details.

EDIT: A single click mechanism for setting the price to any of these three would also be a godsend.
Kruk Rollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2014-10-13 18:17:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Kruk Rollard
I assume early live TQ releases will include the ability to easily fumble and sell everything you own at a given station (fitted ships included) for 0.01 ISK without a confirmation.

(PS Only half a troll. Probably need to check that UI for what happens with finger slips off buttons and hits nearby key or button.

PPS Obviously this is an excuse for QA testers to play drunk on CCPs dime or kronar to probe for unexpected inputs.)
Shadowfoot
Doomheim
#51 - 2014-10-13 18:39:25 UTC
Riela Tanal wrote:
Is there plans for Multi-buy as well?



No,

that would mean you would be able to buy fully fitted frigs right away, and just setup 50 different frigs that way from EFT fittings, w/o manualy typing each item in market window.

It would make whole pvp experience more fun and could mean less time is spent on buying items, or it would reduce refit times after someone loses ship.

Well at least they are implementing mass sell feature, which pvp'rs never use since all ships we buy either lose or stay in hangar ready to pvp.

I can understand mass sell is great for traders, but mass-buy could be useful too, if done right way.
Iam Widdershins
Project Nemesis
#52 - 2014-10-14 00:47:25 UTC
RedbullWings wrote:
This sounds awesome :) Since i am skilled in the market, having an insane amount of inventory all the time makes it a very long process to place orders down. I like the idea of being about to set up orders at the lowest bids .

If your inventory is so crammed and disorganized that it takes you a long time to put down orders, I somehow get the feeling that you are not actually "skilled in the market."

CCP Punkturis wrote:
the scrollwheel ups or downs the price by a cent..

CCP Punkturis wrote:
the arrow to the far right gives you an indication on if you're doing over/under average
if you click the arrow you'll open market details on said item Cool

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Ronin Silfar
Our Big Spaceship Gang
#53 - 2014-10-16 23:41:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Ronin Silfar
TLDR: Add filters, the ability to see how much above/below the average you are at all times (no hovering), and a button to quickly remove an item (no context menu).
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My biggest issues with the new multi-sell feature are UX issues. Currently this new feature does not significantly reduce selling large amounts of loot for me because I still have to individually check each item to see how much over/under the market average an item is (by hovering over it). This means I'm still selling one item at a time in reality. I seem to have improved efficiency by about 10% or so. Ideally I would like to have filters that would hide items given certain conditions (one of which would be X amount below market average). At the very least I need to be able to see the exact amount an item is above/below the average without hovering over it and have a quick way to remove the item from the list which is not hidden behind yet another context menu. Preferably this would be a little minus sign to the far left.

P.S. I know how much you guys at CCP love context menus, but pls... CCP... stahp it :P
Col Crunch
Fancypants Inc
Pandemic Horde
#54 - 2014-10-17 20:54:54 UTC
So we can now make multiple orders at the same time but we still can't edit the duration of said orders? Will that ever come?
Sir Livingston
Doomheim
#55 - 2014-10-18 00:44:24 UTC
now all we need is a multi-buy option for ship fittings. that would be good

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leeloodallas Multisell
Heavy Metal Incorporated
#56 - 2014-10-20 20:26:45 UTC
I approve of this product and/or service.

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Soden Rah
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2014-10-22 20:02:10 UTC
Hi.

First off.... I love this feature.

I'm just getting a look at it on SiSi and it looks like something that will definitely help me deal with hanger clutter.

I have a few notes based on my first attempt to use it.

1) Apparently with my skills I can only have 43 sell orders at once. So when I tried to sell everything with less than
1 mill from my hanger it failed because I was trying to create more than 43 sell orders....
However I found this out AFTER carefully going through the order and altering the price on all the under over items.
Something that lets you know how many free sell order slots you have and how many you are trying to create
plus a warning to tell you that you are trying to create more orders than you are permitted in the multisell window
would be great.

2) Some options to just set all orders to X% of regional average/best might be nice [for those in a hurry]
So I could sell my mission loot at 90~95% regional average with a couple of clicks, or at least be able to one click
set individual items to regional ave/best price rather than have to individually check each item and then type in
the price I want. Especially as it reports 0.01 isk deviation from average in exactly the same way as it reports something
99% above or below ave price. which leads to....

3) If I'm trying to sell a 100 mill isk item I don't care if I'm 0.01 isk off regional average.
I do care if I'm 10+% below regional average. So Something to let me see at a glance how much above or below items
are from the regional ave would be nice. [And an indication of how far above/below the overall total is from the expected average]

That's all I can think of atm... I'm really looking forward to this feature.
Big smile
CCP Punkturis
C C P
C C P Alliance
#58 - 2014-10-22 22:51:22 UTC
Soden Rah wrote:
Hi.

First off.... I love this feature.

I'm just getting a look at it on SiSi and it looks like something that will definitely help me deal with hanger clutter.

I have a few notes based on my first attempt to use it.

1) Apparently with my skills I can only have 43 sell orders at once. So when I tried to sell everything with less than
1 mill from my hanger it failed because I was trying to create more than 43 sell orders....
However I found this out AFTER carefully going through the order and altering the price on all the under over items.
Something that lets you know how many free sell order slots you have and how many you are trying to create
plus a warning to tell you that you are trying to create more orders than you are permitted in the multisell window
would be great.

2) Some options to just set all orders to X% of regional average/best might be nice [for those in a hurry]
So I could sell my mission loot at 90~95% regional average with a couple of clicks, or at least be able to one click
set individual items to regional ave/best price rather than have to individually check each item and then type in
the price I want. Especially as it reports 0.01 isk deviation from average in exactly the same way as it reports something
99% above or below ave price. which leads to....

3) If I'm trying to sell a 100 mill isk item I don't care if I'm 0.01 isk off regional average.
I do care if I'm 10+% below regional average. So Something to let me see at a glance how much above or below items
are from the regional ave would be nice. [And an indication of how far above/below the overall total is from the expected average]

That's all I can think of atm... I'm really looking forward to this feature.
Big smile


1) is a great idea, love it!
3) I think we'll try to do something about this :)
2) I don't think this will get in, at least not now

thank you :)

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Nyssah
Illuminated
Goonswarm Federation
#59 - 2014-10-23 04:05:00 UTC
I haven't used the feature yet myself, only seen the vids. Here's my feedback,

It needs to show more information, including the lowest sell order next to the highest buy order. There should be a percentage difference showing as well. Also the "Total sell" amount if being set for "Sell Immediately" should also have a "Total Sell - Sell Orders" amount showing as well. That allows people to see how much they could get selling all the items 1 ISK below the lowest sell order already on market.

This way people will be able to see exactly how much money they are potentially losing by using the "Sell Immediately" features. As there is normally a large difference between the highest buy now order and the lowest Sell order.

There should also be ways to order the list depending on my above suggestions. E.g. "Sort - Largest profit loss (Buy now/Sell Order)" or something like that in which will put the buy now orders that are ripping them off the most at the top of the list. Then they can make better, easier and more informed decisions quicker. In relation to not being ripped off.

-=UI layout Table=-

Item Icon - Item Name - Qty - Price (Defaults to highest buy now) - Total Profit (qty*price) | Highest Buy Now Price - Lowest Sell Order Price - Percent difference

-=UI Layout for totals at bottom=-
Brokers Fee's - ISK
Sales Taxes - ISK

Total if All Were Sell Orders - ISK
Total if All were Buy Now Sales - ISK
Potential Total Profit Loss (Selling all buy now and not all sales orders - ISK
Actual Profit Loss (Selling buy now and not sales orders - ISK

Actual Total Profit - ISK
Winter Archipelago
Autumn Industrial Enterprises
#60 - 2014-10-24 22:12:34 UTC
Is there any way the "No Match" items could be listed in a single window, just like the sold items are? Things like this are a bit of a bugger: http://puu.sh/cpco9/4820c71334.jpg

If they were listed like the Items Sold window, it would be significantly cleaner when selling a large number of items.