These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

EVE General Discussion

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

The ISBoxer Saga

First post
Author
Previous Topic Next Topic
Levon Bedros
Syntonex
Standard Protocol
#81 - 2014-10-12 13:39:21 UTC
From 1st hand experience:

Games where multiboxing software is allowed but not supported:
-Diablo 3
-World of Warcraft
-Rift
-Eve Online
-Everquest 2
-SWTOR (was not in the beginning)
-Daoc

Games where multiboxing software is not allowed:
-Wildstar


From reading around:

Games where multiboxing software is allowed but not supported:
-Aion
-LOTRO

Games where multiboxing software is not allowed:
-Elder Scrolls Online
-Guild Wars 2
Archibald Thistlewaite III
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Miners
#82 - 2014-10-12 13:53:20 UTC
Angeal MacNova wrote:


Well, here's the thing. Often games will will have a rule. One action per macro. An example of such is the macros I use in GW2. I have dodge macros. I use a razor nostromo for my left hand and I gave the d-pad macros that give direction to my dodge rolls that are independent to the direction I give my character. This can be achieved manually by simply changing the direction you give your character for the moment you dodge then resume previous direction. The macro is still only performing a single action (dodge roll).

What is not allowed are macros that will sequentially play out multiple skills. This is despite that fact that it takes human input to start the sequence each and every time.

Now multiboxing is different. You can say that it's still one input resulting in a single action but it's actually not. It's still one input is resulting in multiple actions being taken, just in a different way. Rather than a vertical succession of the macro example above, it's a horizontal succession. In other words, instead of a single input causing separate actions on one account, it's triggering the same action on separate accounts. This still means that one input is causing multiple actions to take place.

One input per action vs one input per multiple/separate actions is the defining difference. Not whether or not a player can be AFK or not.


You are a cheat and should be banned from playing GW2. Why do people like you feel the need to cheat at a game?

User of 'Bumblefck's Luscious & Luminous Mustachio Wax'
Solecist Project
#83 - 2014-10-12 13:57:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
"... it's the same, but different ..."

I love when people start saying things like this.
Especially when it compared one apple to multiple oranges.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
BrundleMeth
State War Academy
Caldari State
#84 - 2014-10-12 14:08:56 UTC  |  Edited by: BrundleMeth
Solecist Project wrote:
*knockknock*

Excuse me, but what is the point here exactly?


You need to understand a few very important things here.... please.

1. This topic is a dead horse.
1a. A dead horse remains dead, no matter how much you beat it. It doesn't work that way anyway.

2. There are tons of threads about this already, which share the end this one will have.

3. CCP's ruling is clear. Why do you believe this here will change anything,
compared to the multitude of other threads like this one?

4. What would you say does it tell about people when they create threads like these?



Thank you for taking your time and answering these actually relevant questions.

Well...

1. This topic is a dead horse.
1a. A dead horse remains dead, no matter how much you beat it. It doesn't work that way anyway.

I saw this movie where a dead horse stood up and...


2. There are tons of threads about this already, which share the end this one will have.

Stupid people think their new thread on an old whine is going to touch on some brilliant never spoken before point.


3. CCP's ruling is clear. Why do you believe this here will change anything,
compared to the multitude of other threads like this one?

Stupid people think their new thread on an old whine is going to change something because well, it should.


4. What would you say does it tell about people when they create threads like these?

They think they are very special but really just a pain in the ass...
Erqui Thiesant
Doomheim
#85 - 2014-10-12 14:14:17 UTC
I want an answer to my question..Why do people care if people multi box? Oh no, they mine more m3/hour than me, that affects me sooo much. Oh no, there are 20 talos' with the same name. I'm going to die because of the naming!
Angeal MacNova
Holefood Inc.
Warriors of the Blood God
#86 - 2014-10-12 14:53:58 UTC
Rosewalker wrote:

CCP's Third Pary Policies wrote:

We do not endorse or condone the use of any third party applications or other software that modifies the client or otherwise confers an unfair benefit to players. We may, in our discretion, tolerate the use of applications or other software that simply enhance player enjoyment in a way that maintains fair gameplay. For instance, the use of programs that provide in-game overlays (Mumble, Teamspeak) and the multiboxing application is not something we plan to actively police at this time. However, if any third party application or other software is used to gain any unfair advantage, or for purposes beyond its intended use, or if the application or other software violates other parts of the EULA, we may fully enforce our rights to prohibit such use, including player bans. Please use such third party applications or other software at your own risk.


We've been going over this point for years now. It's well established. ISBoxer violates the EULA on the grounds of client modification, but CCP is not going to enforce the EULA on this point.

In other words, Mag's, stop being such a sore winner. You are getting your wish. ISBoxer is here to stay.



It also violates it on grounds that it is a 3rd party program that does give a player an unfair benefit over other players.

http://www.projectvaulderie.com/goodnight-sweet-prince/

http://www.projectvaulderie.com/the-untold-story/

CCP's true, butthurt, colors.

Because those who can't do themselves keep others from doing too.
Angeal MacNova
Holefood Inc.
Warriors of the Blood God
#87 - 2014-10-12 15:07:39 UTC
Erqui Thiesant wrote:
I want an answer to my question..Why do people care if people multi box? Oh no, they mine more m3/hour than me, that affects me sooo much. Oh no, there are 20 talos' with the same name. I'm going to die because of the naming!


Because this is a PvP game and it does affect other people.

The rock/ice they mine, means you can't and have to wait for re-spawn only to have that new belt wiped clean by a single player.

Blobbing is such a big problem in low/null? Well, it's made much easier by multiboxing software. If it's just one char per player logged in at any one time, the logistic involved is getting the players together to form a blob fleet. We talk about risk vs reward but often forget about the other comparison. Work vs Reward. The logistics is the work, the resulting blob is the reward.

Speaking of risk vs reward. Multiboxing programs are also risk adverse. AWOXing is a legitimate risk that gets circumvent by the use of the program. One player incursions, one player corps, one player blob roams, etc.


http://www.projectvaulderie.com/goodnight-sweet-prince/

http://www.projectvaulderie.com/the-untold-story/

CCP's true, butthurt, colors.

Because those who can't do themselves keep others from doing too.
Commentus Nolen
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#88 - 2014-10-12 16:23:23 UTC
Quote:
CCP goes through such lengths to promote alt creation, the use of third party programs and even starts nerfing certain game mechanics in order to keep the third party program available to players.


I keep seeing this response being posted about nerfing but no one lists any examples. Why is that?Roll
Mag's
Azn Empire
#89 - 2014-10-12 16:33:24 UTC
Commentus Nolen wrote:
Quote:
CCP goes through such lengths to promote alt creation, the use of third party programs and even starts nerfing certain game mechanics in order to keep the third party program available to players.


I keep seeing this response being posted about nerfing but no one lists any examples. Why is that?Roll
Indeed. But then why post factual evidence, when a good old yarn will suffice.

Some are even creating their own version of the EULA, to match their views. Lol

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Adrie Atticus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#90 - 2014-10-12 16:40:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Adrie Atticus
Angeal MacNova wrote:
Rosewalker wrote:

CCP's Third Pary Policies wrote:

We do not endorse or condone the use of any third party applications or other software that modifies the client or otherwise confers an unfair benefit to players. We may, in our discretion, tolerate the use of applications or other software that simply enhance player enjoyment in a way that maintains fair gameplay. For instance, the use of programs that provide in-game overlays (Mumble, Teamspeak) and the multiboxing application is not something we plan to actively police at this time. However, if any third party application or other software is used to gain any unfair advantage, or for purposes beyond its intended use, or if the application or other software violates other parts of the EULA, we may fully enforce our rights to prohibit such use, including player bans. Please use such third party applications or other software at your own risk.


We've been going over this point for years now. It's well established. ISBoxer violates the EULA on the grounds of client modification, but CCP is not going to enforce the EULA on this point.

In other words, Mag's, stop being such a sore winner. You are getting your wish. ISBoxer is here to stay.



It also violates it on grounds that it is a 3rd party program that does give a player an unfair benefit over other players.


Problem it that you are reading but not understanding the EULA:

6.3.

You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game.

"Unfair benefit" is not listed. Also, eve is not fair and if you end up in a fair situation someone screwed up in not bringing more guns than you did.

Angeal MacNova wrote:
Because this is a PvP game and it does affect other people.

The rock/ice they mine, means you can't and have to wait for re-spawn only to have that new belt wiped clean by a single player.

Blobbing is such a big problem in low/null? Well, it's made much easier by multiboxing software. If it's just one char per player logged in at any one time, the logistic involved is getting the players together to form a blob fleet. We talk about risk vs reward but often forget about the other comparison. Work vs Reward. The logistics is the work, the resulting blob is the reward.

Speaking of risk vs reward. Multiboxing programs are also risk adverse. AWOXing is a legitimate risk that gets circumvent by the use of the program. One player incursions, one player corps, one player blob roams, etc.




It's 10 characters on the field, amount of players controlling it doesn't matter.
Regnag Leppod
Doomheim
#91 - 2014-10-12 16:47:06 UTC
Angeal MacNova wrote:

It also violates it on grounds that it is a 3rd party program that does give a player an unfair benefit over other players.


CCP views things on a per pilot/account basis, not per meatsack. This has been pointed out over and over and over, but people like you refuse to see it.
No miner in an isboxer mining fleet with orca boost is getting any more m3/cycle than a non-isboxing miner with orca boost. There is no "unfair benefit".

With your logic, every single player that ever took advantage of "power of 2" should be banned for having an unfair advantage over other players.

This mythical "advantage" that multi-boxers have does not exist.
Dalto Bane
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#92 - 2014-10-12 18:54:32 UTC
Commentus Nolen wrote:
Quote:
CCP goes through such lengths to promote alt creation, the use of third party programs and even starts nerfing certain game mechanics in order to keep the third party program available to players.


I keep seeing this response being posted about nerfing but no one lists any examples. Why is that?Roll


This was originally brought up in a thread that concerned cloaked ships are uncloaking each other on SISI. Opposition to ISBoxer chose this as a catalyst to derail the thread, believing this to be a nerf to multiboxing SB fleets and in turn, into a ban ISBoxer thread, without even knowing if this is indeed the mechanic is indeed a change that will come to TQ, or a bug in the SISI cloaking mechanic.


- As for the critics of me, this thread, or my comments-

Though I welcome criticism and opposing viewpoints, whether it be the topics I choose to discuss, the comments I wish to make, or the way I play this game. I have always, and will continue to respect any posters that are willing to stand behind their opinion, good, bad, or indifferent. I will not, however give any additional time or attention outside of this post to:

-Forum Alts- You are unwilling/unable to represent yourselves
-"Trolls"- You offer no substance other to get a rise out of others
-Redirectors- This is GD. Generalized topics are permitted. Off topic, redundant threads, etc, are handled by ISD, not you
-Derailers- Typically falling in, or associated with the previously mentioned

I only want to clear the air, because if I am not replying to any of these types of post, it is because I have already concluded you fall into one of these categories and can no longer see your post. Not out of disrespect to your opinion, but out of your lack of contribution and substance toward the general player base. So please go hit the like button on your own post somewhere else.

Drops Mic
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#93 - 2014-10-12 19:02:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Mallak Azaria
double post meow

This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal, proud member of the popular gay hookup site somethingawful.com, Spelling Bee, Grammar Gestapo & #1 Official Gevlon Goblin Fanclub member.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#94 - 2014-10-12 19:03:11 UTC
Rosewalker wrote:
That's a little off the subject, however. CCP has stated in the Third Party Policies that even though ISBoxer violates the Sections 6A2, 6A3, and 9C of the EULA ("the multiboxing application" refers to ISBoxer) that it is not something that CCP will "actively police at this time.".


No one credible from CCP has stated that it violates any of those sections.

This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal, proud member of the popular gay hookup site somethingawful.com, Spelling Bee, Grammar Gestapo & #1 Official Gevlon Goblin Fanclub member.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#95 - 2014-10-12 19:05:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Mallak Azaria
Angeal MacNova wrote:
Rosewalker wrote:

CCP's Third Pary Policies wrote:

We do not endorse or condone the use of any third party applications or other software that modifies the client or otherwise confers an unfair benefit to players. We may, in our discretion, tolerate the use of applications or other software that simply enhance player enjoyment in a way that maintains fair gameplay. For instance, the use of programs that provide in-game overlays (Mumble, Teamspeak) and the multiboxing application is not something we plan to actively police at this time. However, if any third party application or other software is used to gain any unfair advantage, or for purposes beyond its intended use, or if the application or other software violates other parts of the EULA, we may fully enforce our rights to prohibit such use, including player bans. Please use such third party applications or other software at your own risk.


We've been going over this point for years now. It's well established. ISBoxer violates the EULA on the grounds of client modification, but CCP is not going to enforce the EULA on this point.

In other words, Mag's, stop being such a sore winner. You are getting your wish. ISBoxer is here to stay.



It also violates it on grounds that it is a 3rd party program that does give a player an unfair benefit over other players.


Me owning a 100 tower personal reaction farm is an unfair benefit over basically 99% of you, lets ban that aswell.

Also lol, ISboxer doesn't modify the client.

This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal, proud member of the popular gay hookup site somethingawful.com, Spelling Bee, Grammar Gestapo & #1 Official Gevlon Goblin Fanclub member.
Dalto Bane
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#96 - 2014-10-12 19:09:59 UTC
Rosewalker wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Rosewalker wrote:
CCP has stated in the Third Party Policies that even though ISBoxer violates the Sections 6A2, 6A3, and 9C of the EULA ("the multiboxing application" refers to ISBoxer) that it is not something that CCP will "actively police at this time."
They haven't and it doesn't.


Maybe I should have included the entire paragraph.

CCP's Third Pary Policies wrote:

We do not endorse or condone the use of any third party applications or other software that modifies the client or otherwise confers an unfair benefit to players. We may, in our discretion, tolerate the use of applications or other software that simply enhance player enjoyment in a way that maintains fair gameplay. For instance, the use of programs that provide in-game overlays (Mumble, Teamspeak) and the multiboxing application is not something we plan to actively police at this time. However, if any third party application or other software is used to gain any unfair advantage, or for purposes beyond its intended use, or if the application or other software violates other parts of the EULA, we may fully enforce our rights to prohibit such use, including player bans. Please use such third party applications or other software at your own risk.


We've been going over this point for years now. It's well established. ISBoxer violates the EULA on the grounds of client modification, but CCP is not going to enforce the EULA on this point.

In other words, Mag's, stop being such a sore winner. You are getting your wish. ISBoxer is here to stay.



ISBoxer does not modify the client at all.

This misconception is brought on mostly because of ISBoxers ability to have overlays from other clients on one. Though it may appear that the client UI is modified (Example: 4 Overviews on one client) it most certainly is not. There is only one Overview per client, it's just that on top of that client there is an overlay with video feeds in which the source are your additional clients overviews.

Drops Mic
Adrie Atticus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#97 - 2014-10-12 19:23:59 UTC
Dalto Bane wrote:
Rosewalker wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Rosewalker wrote:
CCP has stated in the Third Party Policies that even though ISBoxer violates the Sections 6A2, 6A3, and 9C of the EULA ("the multiboxing application" refers to ISBoxer) that it is not something that CCP will "actively police at this time."
They haven't and it doesn't.


Maybe I should have included the entire paragraph.

CCP's Third Pary Policies wrote:

We do not endorse or condone the use of any third party applications or other software that modifies the client or otherwise confers an unfair benefit to players. We may, in our discretion, tolerate the use of applications or other software that simply enhance player enjoyment in a way that maintains fair gameplay. For instance, the use of programs that provide in-game overlays (Mumble, Teamspeak) and the multiboxing application is not something we plan to actively police at this time. However, if any third party application or other software is used to gain any unfair advantage, or for purposes beyond its intended use, or if the application or other software violates other parts of the EULA, we may fully enforce our rights to prohibit such use, including player bans. Please use such third party applications or other software at your own risk.


We've been going over this point for years now. It's well established. ISBoxer violates the EULA on the grounds of client modification, but CCP is not going to enforce the EULA on this point.

In other words, Mag's, stop being such a sore winner. You are getting your wish. ISBoxer is here to stay.



ISBoxer does not modify the client at all.

This misconception is brought on mostly because of ISBoxers ability to have overlays from other clients on one. Though it may appear that the client UI is modified (Example: 4 Overviews on one client) it most certainly is not. There is only one Overview per client, it's just that on top of that client there is an overlay with video feeds in which the source are your additional clients overviews.


I'd like to add that the overlays work exactly the same as every single streaming and screen/window/process recording program known to man.
Prince Kobol
#98 - 2014-10-12 19:34:42 UTC
Look its really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really simply.

Have CCP said that ISBoxer is okay

If its is a YES then great, use it.

If it is a NO then don't as you could get banned.

In regards to ISBoxer CCP.. the people that OWN this game say ISBoxer is okay.

Everything else that has been posted in this thread is redundant as we do not OWN Eve, CCP do, therefore their game, their rules.
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#99 - 2014-10-12 19:35:28 UTC
Dalto Bane wrote:
Rosewalker wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Rosewalker wrote:
CCP has stated in the Third Party Policies that even though ISBoxer violates the Sections 6A2, 6A3, and 9C of the EULA ("the multiboxing application" refers to ISBoxer) that it is not something that CCP will "actively police at this time."
They haven't and it doesn't.


Maybe I should have included the entire paragraph.

CCP's Third Pary Policies wrote:

We do not endorse or condone the use of any third party applications or other software that modifies the client or otherwise confers an unfair benefit to players. We may, in our discretion, tolerate the use of applications or other software that simply enhance player enjoyment in a way that maintains fair gameplay. For instance, the use of programs that provide in-game overlays (Mumble, Teamspeak) and the multiboxing application is not something we plan to actively police at this time. However, if any third party application or other software is used to gain any unfair advantage, or for purposes beyond its intended use, or if the application or other software violates other parts of the EULA, we may fully enforce our rights to prohibit such use, including player bans. Please use such third party applications or other software at your own risk.


We've been going over this point for years now. It's well established. ISBoxer violates the EULA on the grounds of client modification, but CCP is not going to enforce the EULA on this point.

In other words, Mag's, stop being such a sore winner. You are getting your wish. ISBoxer is here to stay.



ISBoxer does not modify the client at all.

This misconception is brought on mostly because of ISBoxers ability to have overlays from other clients on one. Though it may appear that the client UI is modified (Example: 4 Overviews on one client) it most certainly is not. There is only one Overview per client, it's just that on top of that client there is an overlay with video feeds in which the source are your additional clients overviews.



hell, it doesn't even modify inputs, it just duplicates them. it doesn't increase the input rates, it doesn't send multiple inputs at once. it just spreads inputs from a human thru several clients. a human with human reflexes, typing at human speeds, that does human mistakes.

[img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]

[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#100 - 2014-10-12 19:45:40 UTC
Erqui Thiesant wrote:
I want an answer to my question..Why do people care if people multi box? Oh no, they mine more m3/hour than me, that affects me sooo much. Oh no, there are 20 talos' with the same name. I'm going to die because of the naming!

Oh snap

And here I thought it would be 20 catalysts about to gank you

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?