Warfare & Tactics

I'm not sure I follow your argument.

For running frigate sized plexes, the DPS check is low enough to be manageable by most frigates. If you absolutely refuse to fly something with the 75 DPS or so required to kill the rat, bring a friend with you.

If you want to fight in a small plex, you either bring a frigate with enough DPS to handle the task, or you upship to a destroyer. This is by design, and it is appropriate.

If you want to roll mediums, you either get a friend, get a destroyer, or get a Worm. Once again, this is by design, and it is sound.

If you want to roll larges you either get a gank fit catalyst/thraser/coercer or you get a friend, or you get a worm. Of course this is by design, because if the answer to running any plex is to just bring a poo-fit frigate and orbit the beacon running away from any threat, then why even have plexes of different sizes?

Your argument seems to be that you should be able to run large plexes in a frigate that costs less than 15 mill so that you can take your rewards and laugh all the way to the bank. There is already far too much of this already. All across the Amarr Minmatar warzone is littered with Gallente farming corps who either force you to go Worm vs Worm or run away when you bring a credible novice based threat.

On the whole farming is still far too prevalent for my tastes, but the last batch of changes made good progress. Where we go from here is the far better question, and I really hope that it is not in the direction you want, which seems to be a return to farming alts everywhere that never fight for their faction, only LP farm because the ISK is so much better than other activities.

I for one would love to see the clock roll back. So that running from a plex and safeing and blueballing your opponents is no longer the preferred method of plexing.

There is a difference between a dps check and a tank check. Im assuming that you are just here to run plexes since no pvper has any interest in being slapped around by a rat while trying to fight another player. Been there, it was w**k.

Buffs to npc dps is about the the worst and most intrusive idea out there.

Try to remember that occupancy war is the content driver, not the content. Might as well run high sec level 4's if you are looking to shoot rats.

If there are no other players interfering with your plexing, the rats tank and respawns are just there to make sure you are paying attention.

I personally love LML boats. HOWEVER, if you want the safety that a good LML kite offers you, perhaps you should not expect the same benefits that someone who sits at zero with blasters and brawls gets. Risk vs reward etc.

Bring 2 condors if 1 cant break the rats tank. Thats the price you pay for being able to run away from the first sign of danger.

Don't know where the assumption for wanting light missiles for everything comes from. While it's nice with light missiles, I would generally just prefer a setting where I don't have to move off scram range of the beacon should someone drop in on me is basically it; If i have to take a little more shield damage to achieve that I'm alright with that especially if it gets me more fights in more places.

Stop being bad.

In a plex? Everything can escape at the first sign of danger, hell, even at the second sign too.

Still don't see how certain hulls should be exempt from running plexs solo just cause they have a range advantage. Slicers get range advantage and I don't see their DPS below 100 and unable to break a rats tank.

Another perspective - what is the rat DPS check for? A DPS check that looks if you are in PvP hull and not stabbed? Cos LML condors/kestrels are both PvP suitable hulls with decent DPS PvP wise. Hence, the DPS check is failing to determine if the ships are fit combat ready. Instead it checks whether you are in a brawl ship.

Im not trying to be dramatic but there is no reason why this discrimination should continue. It's a delicate matter - if condors can't do novices, why can a venture do them? It's a f***cking mining ship. Shouldn't even be able to activate gate. Maybe if asteroids spawn inside a plex and you need them mined out, should then you have a pal bring a venture to help you out. Alas, you don't have to burdened with that.

i would have preferred some form of timer rollbacks instead of dps-check + respawn + anti cloak field. However, the patch helped a lot to make FW a better place while not being perfect.

So despite the fact that you can't solo a small plex with a lml malediction or sentinel, i gladly take this consequence over having the old system.

they should not do that. They only activate MWD if they want to catch up to you (e.g if you have it on too). So slow down and wait till they come to you, they don t do any damage anyway so no need to try to kite them.

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The NPCs are there to stop offensive plexes being chain-farmed by week-old stabbed, cloaky farming alts. That's what defensive plexes are for.

That's also why i'm advocating increasing the dps. What I'm saying is that while you should still have to work for it, you should be able to do everything up to a large in a frigate, assuming you've got a decent fit and know how to get under his guns. The idea would be that the even smaller rats would do enough dps and to take down a stabbed frigate if left unchecked. I think it's better content to work for your money than to be sit there or be locked out of it entirely.

Oh please; you know they'd never go for excluding certain modules since it 'inhibits content'. There was a good idea earlier about having each complex having a friendly and enemy militia NPC in it, which I think makes a lot more sense than splitting hairs about how the plex NPC that somehow obviously has to be there for whatever reason should be balanced. The only thing I'm pushing with this is flipping the defensive block with a more manageable offensive one for what one runs up against when going out to oplex.
I'm a bit more concerned about my ability to cap systems than farm complexes, btw. While it's easy to dplex it's also boring and unbalanced in relation to offensive plexing; I'd rather have both be balanced in some way to the other than have one be absurdly easy and the other one force me to ship up if I want to run mediums or larges. Forcing content doesn't create it.