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Cyclone - Want to make it work / Can't

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Budrick3
Moira.
#1 - 2014-08-27 16:46:22 UTC
Does anyone have a good Cyclone fit?

Struggling
Fred P
Carebears of New Eden
#2 - 2014-08-27 18:05:21 UTC
Gotta tell us what the fit is for, first. You can't just fit a ship, you gotta fit it for something.
Voi Lutois
Vonkell
#3 - 2014-08-27 18:58:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Voi Lutois
[Cyclone, DG XLSB]

Internal Force Field Array I
LADAR Backup Array II
3x Ballistic Control System II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Dread Guristas X-Large Shield Booster
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I

5x Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile
2x Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I

2x Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I

Valkyrie II x5

Decent with tengu boosts, crystals, and blue pill. Might have cap issues though, could try to squeeze a second cap booster on.


[Cyclone, XLASB]

Damage Control II
2x Co-Processor II
2x Ballistic Control System II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I

4x Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile
Prototype 'Arbalest' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
2x Medium Ancillary Current Router I

Valkyrie II x5

Those are the two fits I have
Dato Koppla
Neuronix
#4 - 2014-08-27 19:14:05 UTC
Voi Lutois wrote:
[Cyclone, DG XLSB]

Internal Force Field Array I
LADAR Backup Array II
3x Ballistic Control System II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Dread Guristas X-Large Shield Booster
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I

5x Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile
2x Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I

2x Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I

Valkyrie II x5

Decent with tengu boosts, crystals, and blue pill. Might have cap issues though, could try to squeeze a second cap booster on.


[Cyclone, XLASB]

Damage Control II
2x Co-Processor II
2x Ballistic Control System II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I

4x Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile
Prototype 'Arbalest' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
2x Medium Ancillary Current Router I

Valkyrie II x5

Those are the two fits I have


I've close variations of both these fits and they're solid, huge tank, decent dps as well. Cyclone is definitely a good ship. You need double capacitor boosters for the first fit though, single cap booster just doesn't work unless you have links, at the minimum I'd run it with crystals and improved blue pill though, but if you don't have links you need a second cap booster. XLASB fit is less reliant on links but worse dps, tank is amazing even without drugs/implants/boost though.
Rabe Raptor
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#5 - 2014-08-27 22:20:36 UTC
Voi Lutois wrote:
[Cyclone, DG XLSB]

Internal Force Field Array I
LADAR Backup Array II
3x Ballistic Control System II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Dread Guristas X-Large Shield Booster
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I

5x Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile
2x Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I

2x Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I

Valkyrie II x5

Decent with tengu boosts, crystals, and blue pill. Might have cap issues though, could try to squeeze a second cap booster on.


[Cyclone, XLASB]

Damage Control II
2x Co-Processor II
2x Ballistic Control System II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I

4x Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile
Prototype 'Arbalest' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
2x Medium Ancillary Current Router I

Valkyrie II x5

Those are the two fits I have


Both of these ships get completely outclassed by anything of similar size/value with an optimal fit.

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Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2014-08-28 10:42:49 UTC
Rabe Raptor wrote:
Voi Lutois wrote:
[Cyclone, DG XLSB]

Internal Force Field Array I
LADAR Backup Array II
3x Ballistic Control System II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Dread Guristas X-Large Shield Booster
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I

5x Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile
2x Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I

2x Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I

Valkyrie II x5

Decent with tengu boosts, crystals, and blue pill. Might have cap issues though, could try to squeeze a second cap booster on.


[Cyclone, XLASB]

Damage Control II
2x Co-Processor II
2x Ballistic Control System II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I

4x Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile
Prototype 'Arbalest' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
2x Medium Ancillary Current Router I

Valkyrie II x5

Those are the two fits I have


Both of these ships get completely outclassed by anything of similar size/value with an optimal fit.



What? What other BC completely outclass a cyclone? Cyclone is probably the most powerful BC right now for very small scale combat.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"

Dato Koppla
Neuronix
#7 - 2014-08-28 12:26:14 UTC
Rabe Raptor wrote:
Voi Lutois wrote:
[Cyclone, DG XLSB]

Internal Force Field Array I
LADAR Backup Array II
3x Ballistic Control System II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Dread Guristas X-Large Shield Booster
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I

5x Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile
2x Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I

2x Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I

Valkyrie II x5

Decent with tengu boosts, crystals, and blue pill. Might have cap issues though, could try to squeeze a second cap booster on.


[Cyclone, XLASB]

Damage Control II
2x Co-Processor II
2x Ballistic Control System II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I

4x Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile
Prototype 'Arbalest' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
2x Medium Ancillary Current Router I

Valkyrie II x5

Those are the two fits I have


Both of these ships get completely outclassed by anything of similar size/value with an optimal fit.


These fits are particularly tanky fits and the tank on these is not outclassed by any BCs. A Myrm could compete with the dual XL Cyclone but it would susceptible to neuts and will have slightly smaller tank, also the Myrm suffers from the problem that it's drones can be shot down.

As for just a straight tank/gank fit, a single XL ASB Cyclone vs a buffer Drake, the Cyclone has 10kmore EHP after a single mag, is faster, has enough fitting for a medium and small neut while the Drake has none, and while it does 50less dps, you can switch ammo types on the Cyclone which gives you equal if not more effective dps.
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2014-08-28 17:28:19 UTC
Dato Koppla wrote:
Rabe Raptor wrote:
Voi Lutois wrote:
[Cyclone, DG XLSB]

Internal Force Field Array I
LADAR Backup Array II
3x Ballistic Control System II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Dread Guristas X-Large Shield Booster
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I

5x Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile
2x Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I

2x Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I

Valkyrie II x5

Decent with tengu boosts, crystals, and blue pill. Might have cap issues though, could try to squeeze a second cap booster on.


[Cyclone, XLASB]

Damage Control II
2x Co-Processor II
2x Ballistic Control System II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I

4x Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile
Prototype 'Arbalest' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
2x Medium Ancillary Current Router I

Valkyrie II x5

Those are the two fits I have


Both of these ships get completely outclassed by anything of similar size/value with an optimal fit.


These fits are particularly tanky fits and the tank on these is not outclassed by any BCs. A Myrm could compete with the dual XL Cyclone but it would susceptible to neuts and will have slightly smaller tank, also the Myrm suffers from the problem that it's drones can be shot down.

As for just a straight tank/gank fit, a single XL ASB Cyclone vs a buffer Drake, the Cyclone has 10kmore EHP after a single mag, is faster, has enough fitting for a medium and small neut while the Drake has none, and while it does 50less dps, you can switch ammo types on the Cyclone which gives you equal if not more effective dps.



Drake is better with logi support, worst when solo.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"

LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2014-08-28 18:23:01 UTC
Budrick3 wrote:
Does anyone have a good Cyclone fit?

Struggling


dont use it for PvP, its not a very good ship.

It is slightly more agile then a hurricane, has better burst tank, but its range and dps are worse.

The only viable fit is heavy assault missiles, which limits the battlecruiser to point-blank brawls. It has a shield bonus to help it in that role, and you can fit a medium jump drive to escape, but in brawls you will most likely be scrambled, and a brutix will beat a cyclone in any brawl, 99 times out of 100. (1000dps vs 500, both ships have rep bonus).

You can fit heavy missiles, but then a drake will out-dps you by 1.5 times at range.

Overall, the cyclone is outperformed in all combat roles by other ships. Brawl/gank fits are better done with gallente, missile fits are best off with caldari, kiting fits are done with longer-ranged weaponry then a cyclone can fit.
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2014-08-28 19:53:25 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Budrick3 wrote:
Does anyone have a good Cyclone fit?

Struggling


dont use it for PvP, its not a very good ship.

It is slightly more agile then a hurricane, has better burst tank, but its range and dps are worse.

The only viable fit is heavy assault missiles, which limits the battlecruiser to point-blank brawls. It has a shield bonus to help it in that role, and you can fit a medium jump drive to escape, but in brawls you will most likely be scrambled, and a brutix will beat a cyclone in any brawl, 99 times out of 100. (1000dps vs 500, both ships have rep bonus).

You can fit heavy missiles, but then a drake will out-dps you by 1.5 times at range.

Overall, the cyclone is outperformed in all combat roles by other ships. Brawl/gank fits are better done with gallente, missile fits are best off with caldari, kiting fits are done with longer-ranged weaponry then a cyclone can fit.



On that point of view you shoudl avoid ALL BC on PVP. 1v1 the cycloen is the strongest BC. On small fleets Bc are horrible.. period. THere is a reason we forbid our members of using one except for baiting.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"

LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#11 - 2014-08-30 18:32:22 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
THere is a reason we forbid our members of using one except for baiting.


You FORBID people from flying certain ships? Lol what? Man I would not fit in with your group...
Denson022
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2014-10-12 12:56:53 UTC
Since old shield boosters got buffed somme time ago here is a good old fit.
It can almost tank itself DPS, cap stable mwd off.

DCU II
4xBCS

10mn MWD
Meta4 Cap injector - 800 cap boosters
InvField T2
Scram or long point as your playstyle prefference.
T2 LSB

5X T2 HAM launchers
Small neuts

Therm resist rig
Em resist rig
Core defence operational solidifier fort more burst tank / Em rig

5 warriors
5 ecm or web drones ( help apply ham dmg)


Synth blue pill to go cheap
And you tank 450 DPS cap stable without mwd as long you have cap boosters in cargo.

Stay alive more than 90 secs ans yo'll reach 80+ ehp

That means to be under the pressure of 900 DPS.

Standard blue pill + some cheap implants and it will tank 550 dps without gimping gank.

It will kite to death armor myrm / brutix ( tested), if you perma mwd myrm drones will do litlle to no damage. I play it with long point as it is my playstyle.

Can tank 2-3 cruisers long enough to jump thru a gate or kilo one and lower incoming DPS thus making you live longer.

Sure it has weaknesses, but it's a good teacher/trainer.
Managing active modules is a pvp skill that makes you better.

Still if neuted it has tard time.

Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#13 - 2014-10-12 15:07:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Lloyd Roses
Quote:
[Cyclone, odd ASB]

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II
Co-Processor II

X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster
Large Ancillary Shield Booster
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
X5 Prototype Engine Enervator
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Nova Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Nova Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Nova Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Nova Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Nova Heavy Assault Missile
5W Infectious Power System Malfunction
5W Infectious Power System Malfunction

Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I


Infiltrator II x5


Is the most satisfying I tried. The one large ASB is a bit annoying but it works.
Use large one overheated until empty, pulse XL one until reload completed, go back to using the large one. Dps is 500-600ish, you got two small neuts and full tackle, also price is roughly 55mil with everything incl. ammo.

Denson022 wrote:
Since old shield boosters got buffed somme time ago here is a good old fit.
Synth blue pill to go cheap


No, standard or go home. 3% ain't helping you squat. Ghetto crystals (mid-grade alpha, beta, delta) offer 10% boost aswell and cost some 40mil last time I checked.
Skurja Volpar
Rattini Tribe
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#14 - 2014-10-13 01:26:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Skurja Volpar
[Cyclone, dogporn.com]
Damage Control II
Co-Processor II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I


Hammerhead II x5

Personally don't think dual ASB is worth the tradeoffs you need to make to fit them on a cyclone, without something nice in the utility highs, and your rigs & lows full of +fitting, you're probably better off using something else.

You won't out-tank a myrm, but its still a decent enough ship with the cap pressure + missile damage application. It's not like BCs get undocked much these days anyway.
Denson022
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2014-10-13 11:53:11 UTC
Skurja Volpar wrote:
[Cyclone, dogporn.com]
Damage Control II
Co-Processor II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I


Hammerhead II x5

Personally don't think dual ASB is worth the tradeoffs you need to make to fit them on a cyclone, without something nice in the utility highs, and your rigs & lows full of +fitting, you're probably better off using something else.

You won't out-tank a myrm, but its still a decent enough ship with the cap pressure + missile damage application. It's not like BCs get undocked much these days anyway.


From my experience Cyclone wont out tank a myrm. Killing drones is the best way to increase your tank. Anyway i'm a kitey style.

Plus the cyclone is the only BC that can keep up speed with a plated cruiser Rupture/Omen/Thorax.

I like the feel when i fly it that i'm breaking the meta and bring content to the game. But indeed BC are a rather rare bird these days.