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Incoming Stealth Bomber nerf?

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PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#61 - 2014-10-11 03:18:45 UTC
JC Anderson wrote:
For those of you who forgot, anything is better than the way they once were.

Couldn't fit covert ops cloaking devices, used cruise missiles, and the stealth bomber skill effected how fast you could fly when cloaked as well as a modifier to allow you to tear up small and fast ships using cruise missiles.

They actually moved faster cloaked than unclocked with stealth bomber 5. But could not warp cloaked since they couldn't fit the cov ops. :(

Regardless, when did bombers start becoming an issue? Is it primarily the decloak issue, or is it the bombs that people are complaining about?

Idk, I recall something about bombers being able to blap frigates in the olden days.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#62 - 2014-10-11 03:22:21 UTC
JC Anderson wrote:
Regardless, when did bombers start becoming an issue? Is it primarily the decloak issue, or is it the bombs that people are complaining about?

If you've been vaporized by Boat and you know he and like 15 guys are giggling madly as the killmails of your elitepvp fits are splattered all over fleetchat

Yeah

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Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#63 - 2014-10-11 03:38:36 UTC
JC Anderson wrote:
For those of you who forgot, anything is better than the way they once were.

Couldn't fit covert ops cloaking devices, used cruise missiles, and the stealth bomber skill effected how fast you could fly when cloaked as well as a modifier to allow you to tear up small and fast ships using cruise missiles.

They actually moved faster cloaked than unclocked with stealth bomber 5. But could not warp cloaked since they couldn't fit the cov ops. :(

Regardless, when did bombers start becoming an issue? Is it primarily the decloak issue, or is it the bombs that people are complaining about?


It's the ISBoxers. Period.
ISBoxer needs the banhammer.

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Kalissis
#64 - 2014-10-11 04:18:17 UTC
ISBoxer are nearly not affected by this, you can just adjust your configuration. Other not so strict bomber groups are done for, Bombers Bar bombing runs RIP.
Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#65 - 2014-10-11 04:40:35 UTC
Kalissis wrote:
ISBoxer are nearly not affected by this, you can just adjust your configuration. Other not so strict bomber groups are done for, Bombers Bar bombing runs RIP.


To be fair, Bombers Bar was done for, when DNS Black decided it would be a totally awesome idea to involve his nullsec alliance in DUST.

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Dalto Bane
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#66 - 2014-10-11 05:37:35 UTC
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5108193#post5108193

We are getting way off topic. I have created a thread to continue the ISBoxer discussion so that we can get back on track. Come at me bro

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Josef Djugashvilis
#67 - 2014-10-11 06:51:22 UTC
Ocih wrote:
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
It's simple.... we ban the ISBoxers.


And it removes a lot of issues in EVE.

When 5 guys can symphony slaughter 200 actual players the game becomes a poopsock. It's a form of botting and everyone knows it.


Apart from CCP...

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#68 - 2014-10-11 06:59:07 UTC
Kalissis wrote:
ISBoxer are nearly not affected by this, you can just adjust your configuration. Other not so strict bomber groups are done for, Bombers Bar bombing runs RIP.

The future is fleets of bombers where you have 5 multiboxers?

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#69 - 2014-10-11 11:15:08 UTC
I'm all for the nerfs as long as it continues causing moxnix to sperg out about "the cartels" some more. This change shouldn;t really make much of a difference to guys who are actually good at bombing runs, just to multiboxers controlling them all through fleet warps alone, so sounds like a good change.

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Crimson Draufgange
The Seven Shadows
Scotch And Tea.
#70 - 2014-10-11 20:51:41 UTC
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
Just remove bombs aoe.

They explode on impact. Deal even more damage. Like 15-20k alpha. Now you have bombs.


Like they did with Doomsdays, which, by the way, are being enabled in low sec.

Bombs in low sec, please please please please please please.

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Spy 21
Doomheim
#71 - 2014-10-11 21:49:17 UTC
Milan Nantucket wrote:
I have had bombs chucked at me. They need a buff because i have yet to be blowed up by one.


I did blow myself up once...








.... or twice

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Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#72 - 2014-10-11 22:55:47 UTC
Crimson Draufgange wrote:


Bombs in low sec, please please please please please please.


I would find this fantastically fun. It will make the learning curve for high sec newbies venturing into low sec even steeper.
Freako X
Doom Inc
#73 - 2014-10-11 23:49:49 UTC
Perhaps there are plans for different types of bombers:

1. Torpedo only.
2. Rapid heavy.
3. Bomb only (lower delay or multiple launchers)
4. Current version.
5. Capital torp (1 - 2 launchers)

Maybe a combat only version with no recon stealth bonus (more hp and resists)


Or maybe they are updating med, lower slot lay-out, changes to fitting, mass, etc so that nemesis and manticore are as frequently used as purifier or hound. Maybe remove damage type bonus and move to generic?
Crimson Draufgange
The Seven Shadows
Scotch And Tea.
#74 - 2014-10-12 02:45:41 UTC
Cancel Align NOW wrote:
Crimson Draufgange wrote:


Bombs in low sec, please please please please please please.


I would find this fantastically fun. It will make the learning curve for high sec newbies venturing into low sec even steeper.


It would be a ton of fun! The learning curve wouldn't be to bad. Did I mention the fun?

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JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#75 - 2014-10-12 07:15:31 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:

Idk, I recall something about bombers being able to blap frigates in the olden days.


Old bonuses on them were to moving while cloaked speed, and then the other mucked around with explosion velocity when you fired at small ships... Or maybe it increased their signature radius. I can't remember the exact method that was used.
JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#76 - 2014-10-12 07:19:10 UTC
Spy 21 wrote:
Milan Nantucket wrote:
I have had bombs chucked at me. They need a buff because i have yet to be blowed up by one.


I did blow myself up once...








.... or twice

S


Always funny to see the final blow on a loss mail listed as the very same person who had their ship explode. :P
Oxide Ammar
#77 - 2014-10-12 07:33:11 UTC
JC Anderson wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:

Idk, I recall something about bombers being able to blap frigates in the olden days.


Old bonuses on them were to moving while cloaked speed, and then the other mucked around with explosion velocity when you fired at small ships... Or maybe it increased their signature radius. I can't remember the exact method that was used.


I watched multiple old youtube videos of bombers with cruise missiles, they were able to instant blap frig at 0 m/s

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Nex Killer
Perkone
Caldari State
#78 - 2014-10-12 07:56:05 UTC
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Vel'drinn
Sanguine Vipers
#79 - 2014-10-12 11:06:24 UTC
Covert cloakies decloaking each other would suck by proximity. As is you have the challenge level of one dude failing to engage his cloak in large fleets wrecking a shot at a bombing run. Fleet movements are not going to be manageable in anything greater than a squad. I don't get the regression in mechanics, these fleets are DESIGNED to be sneaky and people are not supposed to like them. This is especially true for anchored fleets.

This is just going to making covert fleets annoying to fly. You won't have time to get everyone setup on their own tacs and bomb spots before bombing fleets. The battlefield may change too much in that time but its more about the time to set things up properly.

Warpins at range by squad to launch bombs is going to expose the whole fleet a lot more. I'm sure bomber FCs are getting nightmares thinking about it. Decloaking is simply going to take a lot of fun with bomber fleets right out. Pulling off a good run takes planning and skill. The concepts are simple enough but those that consistently pull them off know the intricacies of bombing runs and the limitations of the most fragile frigates in game.

Furthermore, bombers are a weapon in the world of coalitions that allow the few to take on the many. I would like to get a dev blog that really highlights 'the problem' as all I see here are distractions towards other issues.
BrundleMeth
State War Academy
Caldari State
#80 - 2014-10-12 11:42:20 UTC
Here is some peoples train of thought...

Item X killed me x number of times. This means X is over powered and needs a nerf because I couldn't possibly be the problem...