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How does targeting someone prevent cloak?

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Hades Dark
US Space Force
Black Rose.
#1 - 2014-10-11 21:32:24 UTC
So why and how does targeting someone prevent cloak? Really I do not understand this concept at all. A targeting system pinpoints a mass using visual, radar, sonar. It no way sends anything that disturbs any equipment but yet when your targeted in EVE you can't use cloak due to what?
Also I should be able to cloak regardless if there is someone tracking me or not because unless something is preventing me from using that module then really how can they?
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#2 - 2014-10-11 21:34:33 UTC
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#3 - 2014-10-11 21:35:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Epeen
If you can't manage to put up a cloak before you get locked, then you should just find another module to put in that slot.

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Iain Cariaba
#4 - 2014-10-11 21:36:36 UTC
Because otherwise any time someone with a cloak started to lose a fight, they would simply cloak up and warp away to safety.
Hades Dark
US Space Force
Black Rose.
#5 - 2014-10-11 21:38:47 UTC
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Because otherwise any time someone with a cloak started to lose a fight, they would simply cloak up and warp away to safety.

No this is not a cloak and be gone thread its a why does this happen, also if someone is locked they have there position so cloaking afterwards does nothing.
Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#6 - 2014-10-11 21:41:46 UTC
Hades Dark wrote:
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Because otherwise any time someone with a cloak started to lose a fight, they would simply cloak up and warp away to safety.

No this is not a cloak and be gone thread its a why does this happen, also if someone is locked they have there position so cloaking afterwards does nothing.



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Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#7 - 2014-10-11 22:06:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Because game design > player whine. (and someone is just going to whine anyway)

The comment earlier about cloaking any time someone was going to lose a fight is exactly right. Not all fights are conducted at brawling range, so a cloaked ship could easily evade being decloaked and just warp off.
Milan Nantucket
Doomheim
#8 - 2014-10-11 22:06:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Milan Nantucket
Hades Dark wrote:
So why and how does targeting someone prevent cloak? Really I do not understand this concept at all. A targeting system pinpoints a mass using visual, radar, sonar. It no way sends anything that disturbs any equipment but yet when your targeted in EVE you can't use cloak due to what?
Also I should be able to cloak regardless if there is someone tracking me or not because unless something is preventing me from using that module then really how can they?

Well the theory is when a tracking computer get a lock it maintains the lock with a wave of energy... sort of like a radio wave. The wave is strong when the lock is made due to it being focused on that one target.... well the side effect is it disrupts the cloaking mechanism.

Cloaking isnt magical invisible... its a field that reflects the energy on one side to its counter side. Light is energy, so to the eye it is invisible. It cant handle the waves made from targetting computers and hence cant cloak... simple science really.
Hades Dark
US Space Force
Black Rose.
#9 - 2014-10-11 22:08:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Hades Dark
Milan Nantucket wrote:
Hades Dark wrote:
So why and how does targeting someone prevent cloak? Really I do not understand this concept at all. A targeting system pinpoints a mass using visual, radar, sonar. It no way sends anything that disturbs any equipment but yet when your targeted in EVE you can't use cloak due to what?
Also I should be able to cloak regardless if there is someone tracking me or not because unless something is preventing me from using that module then really how can they?

Well the theory is when a tracking computer get a lock it maintains the lock with a wave of energy... sort of like a radio wave. The wave is strong when the lock is made due to it being focused on that one target.... well the side effect is it disrupts the cloaking mechanism.

Cloaking isnt magical invisible... its a field that reflects the energy on one side to its counter side. Light is energy, so to the eye it is invisible. It cant handle the waves made from targetting computers and hence cant cloak... simple science really.

Once again targeting not Locked on.

Also how do visual and sonar systems work them? HMM. You do not need to send a signal to receive one and lock on to it. Look at submarines.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#10 - 2014-10-11 22:17:45 UTC
Hades Dark wrote:
A targeting system pinpoints a mass using visual, radar, sonar. It no way sends anything that disturbs any equipment


[Citation Needed]

In other words, from what source are you basing your idea that targeting works like that in EVE.

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Hades Dark
US Space Force
Black Rose.
#11 - 2014-10-11 22:20:20 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Hades Dark wrote:
A targeting system pinpoints a mass using visual, radar, sonar. It no way sends anything that disturbs any equipment


[Citation Needed]

In other words, from what source are you basing your idea that targeting works like that in EVE.

Well when this game bases its stuff off earth physics meaning mass and speed etc. One could assume targeting would fall into that category to correct?
DarHammer Podesta
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2014-10-11 22:20:55 UTC
I believe your the one not seeing the whole picture because your looking at a single game mechanic and refuse to consider the rest in relation to it.
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2014-10-11 22:22:01 UTC
Hades Dark wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Hades Dark wrote:
A targeting system pinpoints a mass using visual, radar, sonar. It no way sends anything that disturbs any equipment


[Citation Needed]

In other words, from what source are you basing your idea that targeting works like that in EVE.

Well when this game bases its stuff off earth physics meaning mass and speed etc. One could assume targeting would fall into that category to correct?


EvE is a submarine simulator and is only very loosely based on real physics.
Milan Nantucket
Doomheim
#14 - 2014-10-11 22:23:01 UTC
Hades Dark wrote:
Milan Nantucket wrote:
Hades Dark wrote:
So why and how does targeting someone prevent cloak? Really I do not understand this concept at all. A targeting system pinpoints a mass using visual, radar, sonar. It no way sends anything that disturbs any equipment but yet when your targeted in EVE you can't use cloak due to what?
Also I should be able to cloak regardless if there is someone tracking me or not because unless something is preventing me from using that module then really how can they?

Well the theory is when a tracking computer get a lock it maintains the lock with a wave of energy... sort of like a radio wave. The wave is strong when the lock is made due to it being focused on that one target.... well the side effect is it disrupts the cloaking mechanism.

Cloaking isnt magical invisible... its a field that reflects the energy on one side to its counter side. Light is energy, so to the eye it is invisible. It cant handle the waves made from targetting computers and hence cant cloak... simple science really.

Once again targeting not Locked on.

Also how do visual and sonar systems work them? HMM. You do not need to send a signal to receive one and lock on to it. Look at submarines.

I looked for a sonar module and didnt see one. This is Jovian Science so if you want to use the less technologically advanced science and theories then find a way through the eden gate and go back to earth where submarines exist.
Hades Dark
US Space Force
Black Rose.
#15 - 2014-10-11 22:25:42 UTC
DarHammer Podesta wrote:
I believe your the one not seeing the whole picture because your looking at a single game mechanic and refuse to consider the rest in relation to it.

Really because I am trying to talk about the targeting part which is between having knowledge of where they are and having there location locked (which means your system has processed all the data to come up with a correct and accurate firing solution). So to make it clear when your screen shows that flashing yellow icon meaning your being targeted not completely locked, How does it prevent your system from cloaking your ship?
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#16 - 2014-10-11 22:28:14 UTC
Hades Dark wrote:
Well when this game bases its stuff off earth physics meaning mass and speed etc. One could assume targeting would fall into that category to correct?

Hahaha what. Earth physics.

Let's start with the earth physics explanation of a cloak on a spaceship in the first place.

I'll admit, I don't have a clear handle on the real physics behind cloaking massive structures flying around in space. Maybe you can help me OP. Then we can look at how targeting systems might interfere with that, once we know how it works.

Or maybe we can just go with the, this is a game, not RL and it's a game mechanic. Nothing more than game design and not based on real physics at all.
Jace Sarice
#17 - 2014-10-11 22:30:49 UTC
Hades Dark wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Hades Dark wrote:
A targeting system pinpoints a mass using visual, radar, sonar. It no way sends anything that disturbs any equipment


[Citation Needed]

In other words, from what source are you basing your idea that targeting works like that in EVE.

Well when this game bases its stuff off earth physics meaning mass and speed etc. One could assume targeting would fall into that category to correct?


No.

And no.
DarHammer Podesta
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2014-10-11 22:38:22 UTC
Oh I did not notice you were looking for a lore explanation. Lore has very little interest to me in games, Its purely to stop people from fleeing in a large number of fights cloaking ships can get involved in.

Twist the lore to suit as you wish. I am no story teller.
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#19 - 2014-10-11 22:48:52 UTC
Real world radar systems on aircraft have two modes: scanning and locked. When scanning a target is only illuminated with radar every now and then. When locked, the radar is directed at the target exclusively, resulting it being almost continuously illuminated.

So the best explanation is that the cloaks we use can handle blocking the occasional scan, but a continuous scan is sufficiently disrupting that the cloak fails.

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The Filthy Few
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#20 - 2014-10-11 23:38:43 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Hades Dark wrote:
So to make it clear when your screen shows that flashing yellow icon meaning your being targeted not completely locked, How does it prevent your system from cloaking your ship?


Flashing yellow means that the person has acquired a lock on you, not that they are in the process of targeting you.


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