Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I get the impression that CCP is holding onto this fantasy that people are nomadic in worm holes. I would laugh but the effects of this are not so funny. The only "nomads" are roving gangs of PVPers but most of those come from the system next door, so not even they are nomadic.



We can see how they are beating us with a rod to get us to move but there are some important reasons why it doesn't work:

1. It is a huge hassle to put up a POS and take it down to move systems.
2. Finding worm holes with a good static that suits your group is a nightmare.
3. Once you have a static link, you can keep closing it and getting new systems, further depleting other's systems.

API functionality removed

With the Crucible patch, CCP have removed the API information for ships jumping into and out of a system. For those that made the extra effort it could help them know if there is [still] someone in your system. This helps the PVPers but it is a big nuisance for the people living in the system.
You don't know what is in the next system, they could act as a warp to point and you could be wiped out.
So, you sit and you wait in your POS, see if a battle ship fleet rocks up. If not you log off, a few less people playing.
There is no way of knowing where the cloaked ship is so you can't knock it out. He can D-scan your position so you can't trap him in. You can't go through the WH because if you try cloaking there is that second they see where you are and bomb you.

However, this is fine by me. I have two screens so I can do other things and there are other MMOs to play. It even fits with the story, no gate to report back ... and yet ... it still reports back the kills of NPCs and players? It still shows wrecks on D-scan when you can't even scan them with probes?
Seems a bit weighted in the favour of the hunter. Prey has to mash that D-scan and the hunter does almost nothing because they know you are busy and your attention is occupied so easily.

At least make the playing field even.

Outposts

Why not? It isn't as though we can control a region of worm holes from there.

Ice.

This is just a nuisance to go and get. Why should WH space be so different? Have a few grav sites with ice in it so we can feel like the self sufficient frontier people that we want to be.
(Not enough to mine it like the ore gravs for profit but enough to fuel our own POSes 2-3 is average.)

Class 4 systems

They are pretty empty because:

• Only have one static, which seldom leads to known space.
• Can't use capital ships to spawn extra Sleepers.

Combat

Class 4, 5 and 6 should have more worm holes leading from low and null sec into and out of them, these worm holes should be able to carry more capitals through. I would say 3x baby carriers for C4, 6-7 for C5 and 9-12 for C6.

Main problem is once a corp or alliance have built up a solid defence in C5 or C6 it is almost impossible to root them up.

Further, I think that C4s should have more statics leading out to null sec and into C5/6 so that they can be conduits and systems to raid those higher ones from.

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Good question. Hardly feasible to try and go back and find them as a nomad.

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What do you feel about all this?

Ive lived in a WS (W-System, to distinguish it from WH, the way you get into a WS) for 2 years. We moved in because finding one and day-tripping into it was not feeling like exploring the unknown, it was like tromping through someone's back yard. POSes are everywhere!

Site depletion does not occur unless you keep clearing out the sites day after day. If you leave 1 or 2 sites alone, the spawn rate does not drop. We did kill the spawn rate twice by over-farming, then learned our lesson.

Sure ice would be nice. Also nice would be actual unknown systems that did not feel like tromping through someone's back yard. If we want systems without POSes, CCP should add some W-systems that have no moons, or have system wide catastrophes that clear all player stuff out of the system, even logged out ships.

Would also like to know this, from what I've heard it's just the standard site respawn mechanics at work. Also everyone just farms their statics anyway, so that point is pretty moot.

No, it has not been confirmed. But it fits what I and other WS occupants have observed.

If you live in a WS, try it and see. We say we are leaving 2 anomalies as a breeding pair.

if you had access to ice you'd never leave except to sell your nanoribbons

I mostly see WHs as places for people to avoid EVE and have a comfy little semi-private oasis to play minecraft in space

I think WH's with people living in them should display in overview like a cyno

Helped you there with a few things, you seem a little misguided.

The main thing about a WH is its class and if it has a static to another WH then what class that WH is. Everything else is just icing.

They are drones with reactive not proactive AI. However, it could be fun. Also have them guarding the exits.

I think they could recycle some of the things from missions, have the odd destroyed faction bit, showing how they came out to see these systems or have wrecks of POS showing up, et cetera.

Not all site have to have sleepers, sometimes just something to look at that is interesting is enough.

By your definitions, anyone in null sec is nomadic. Heck, everyone is nomadic.

Sometimes I wish I could poll all the players in game and find out exactly what it is. "Average time your corp has had a POS in one particular worm hole? a) Never had one b) 5 days - 5 months c) 6 months - 2 year d) 2 - 4 years or e) 4+ years"

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