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Rasiermesserherz
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#21 - 2014-10-11 19:39:34 UTC
A solution does need to be implemented. It's bad enough when people are just dropping them just for the sake of being a douche. It's even more obnoxious when people start using them for the purposes of proselytizing. A toon Darkblad and his alt Somewhat Strange are responsible for the recent giant cross in Jita. Eve isn't the place for this sort of thing. When he was called out on it he basically said go ahead and shoot them, knowing full well that shooting an anchored structure results in a suspect flag which obviously results in a ship loss.

I don't know that things shouldn't be able to anchored in hisec, but when someone engages in this sort of behaviour it should result in CCP enforcing at least a temporary suspension. Maybe fines in the form of lost SP.

What do you think are solutions for this?
Iain Cariaba
#22 - 2014-10-11 20:36:48 UTC
Rasiermesserherz wrote:
A solution does need to be implemented. It's bad enough when people are just dropping them just for the sake of being a douche. It's even more obnoxious when people start using them for the purposes of proselytizing. A toon Darkblad and his alt Somewhat Strange are responsible for the recent giant cross in Jita. Eve isn't the place for this sort of thing. When he was called out on it he basically said go ahead and shoot them, knowing full well that shooting an anchored structure results in a suspect flag which obviously results in a ship loss.

I don't know that things shouldn't be able to anchored in hisec, but when someone engages in this sort of behaviour it should result in CCP enforcing at least a temporary suspension. Maybe fines in the form of lost SP.

What do you think are solutions for this?

Proselytizing? Really? Did you look at the names on the cans before you stormed off in righteous indignation to shiptoast about it? There's nothing wrong with a memorial to the non-english official channels. That's like being offended when you see a cross while driving past a cemetery.

Grow up.
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#23 - 2014-10-11 22:41:22 UTC
Rivr Luzade wrote:
No. Simply prohibit them in 1-0-0.8. The behavior of the players clearly shows why anchoring cans was prohibit for so many years as the players simply abuse this mechanic to manipulate the grid or build giant penises and crosses in space to cause lag and overview and bracket clutter.


That basically completely undermines the basic premise behind their use. Why should I - and others like me , who don't abuse them in this fashion - be punished for the actions of a group of asshats 15 LY away?

If the mobile depots offend you so much, then shoot them and remember to come back when their reinforcement timers end. I highly doubt anyone will try to defend them. A smartbombing battleship will do fine.
Rasiermesserherz
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#24 - 2014-10-13 00:13:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Rasiermesserherz
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Rasiermesserherz wrote:
A solution does need to be implemented. It's bad enough when people are just dropping them just for the sake of being a douche. It's even more obnoxious when people start using them for the purposes of proselytizing. A toon Darkblad and his alt Somewhat Strange are responsible for the recent giant cross in Jita. Eve isn't the place for this sort of thing. When he was called out on it he basically said go ahead and shoot them, knowing full well that shooting an anchored structure results in a suspect flag which obviously results in a ship loss.

I don't know that things shouldn't be able to anchored in hisec, but when someone engages in this sort of behaviour it should result in CCP enforcing at least a temporary suspension. Maybe fines in the form of lost SP.

What do you think are solutions for this?

Proselytizing? Really? Did you look at the names on the cans before you stormed off in righteous indignation to shiptoast about it? There's nothing wrong with a memorial to the non-english official channels. That's like being offended when you see a cross while driving past a cemetery.

Grow up.



EVE isn't a church/mosque/cemetary/other venue where obnoxious religious symbols are appropriate. There are crosses throughout my home and even one on my front door, but I'm not going to be a douché and plant a 60ft high one in my front yard. Tell you what... since you're okay with it... how about we go ahead and put up a star of david, a crescent moon, and maybe even a colander in Jita. It's equally obnoxious, but that's okay with you, right?

There are far better ways to memorialize something that are appropriate for the environment. The Vile Rat memorial is an excellent example of appropriate.
Rasiermesserherz
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#25 - 2014-10-13 00:19:02 UTC
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
Rivr Luzade wrote:
No. Simply prohibit them in 1-0-0.8. The behavior of the players clearly shows why anchoring cans was prohibit for so many years as the players simply abuse this mechanic to manipulate the grid or build giant penises and crosses in space to cause lag and overview and bracket clutter.


That basically completely undermines the basic premise behind their use. Why should I - and others like me , who don't abuse them in this fashion - be punished for the actions of a group of asshats 15 LY away?

If the mobile depots offend you so much, then shoot them and remember to come back when their reinforcement timers end. I highly doubt anyone will try to defend them. A smartbombing battleship will do fine.



You're right in that people shouldn't be punished for using them properly. As for shooting them... people camp Jita for the sole purpose of ganking anyone that shows up with a suspect flag, which is what you get when you attack a mobile depot. Why should people lose their isk/gear to clean up other people's graffiti?
Iain Cariaba
#26 - 2014-10-13 01:31:34 UTC
Rasiermesserherz wrote:
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Proselytizing? Really? Did you look at the names on the cans before you stormed off in righteous indignation to shiptoast about it? There's nothing wrong with a memorial to the non-english official channels. That's like being offended when you see a cross while driving past a cemetery.

Grow up.



EVE isn't a church/mosque/cemetary/other venue where obnoxious religious symbols are appropriate. There are crosses throughout my home and even one on my front door, but I'm not going to be a douché and plant a 60ft high one in my front yard. Tell you what... since you're okay with it... how about we go ahead and put up a star of david, a crescent moon, and maybe even a colander in Jita. It's equally obnoxious, but that's okay with you, right?

There are far better ways to memorialize something that are appropriate for the environment. The Vile Rat memorial is an excellent example of appropriate.

I would have zero issues with this. Just because I don't agree with what someone has to say doesn't mean they don't still have the right to say it. Unfortunately, this era of political correctness has tried to override that basic freedom.

Political correctness is living under the belief that it is possible to pick up a turd from the clean end.
Rasiermesserherz
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#27 - 2014-10-13 03:57:46 UTC
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Rasiermesserherz wrote:
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Proselytizing? Really? Did you look at the names on the cans before you stormed off in righteous indignation to shiptoast about it? There's nothing wrong with a memorial to the non-english official channels. That's like being offended when you see a cross while driving past a cemetery.

Grow up.



EVE isn't a church/mosque/cemetary/other venue where obnoxious religious symbols are appropriate. There are crosses throughout my home and even one on my front door, but I'm not going to be a douché and plant a 60ft high one in my front yard. Tell you what... since you're okay with it... how about we go ahead and put up a star of david, a crescent moon, and maybe even a colander in Jita. It's equally obnoxious, but that's okay with you, right?

There are far better ways to memorialize something that are appropriate for the environment. The Vile Rat memorial is an excellent example of appropriate.

I would have zero issues with this. Just because I don't agree with what someone has to say doesn't mean they don't still have the right to say it. Unfortunately, this era of political correctness has tried to override that basic freedom.

Political correctness is living under the belief that it is possible to pick up a turd from the clean end.


"Political correctness is living under the belief that it is possible to pick up a turd from the clean end." LMAO! I love this one. Thanks for that.

You make a good argument, except while one has the right to say what he/she wants doesn't free them from the consequences of what is said. What's more, while people are free to believe in whatever religion they want, we as a whole also have the right to be free from religion. Meaning, giant obnoxious displays are considered rude by many people. Even those of various religions that I associate with agree that it's disrespectful to force it upon people like that.
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