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A question for Industrialists and traders.
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Leoric Firesword
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2014-10-03 14:24:51 UTC
SJ Astralana wrote:
Bertrand Arramor wrote:
Can i have access to this amazing web app?

:)


Deploying a web app is a non-trivial exercise. You're talking about connection strings, static data, and a hundred other issues involved in replicating an operating environment.



That all depends. My web application is already being built with multiple users in mind (go go corp mates!) and since I've already got a domain for other things it's going up there.

If I ever get to the point where mine is done I'll post it somewhere up here.
Selaria Unbertable
Bellator in Capsulam
#22 - 2014-10-03 15:30:02 UTC
Sheri Angela wrote:
I have my own web application I wrote for manufacturing. The master screen shows the items I can build along with forecasted average weighted volume and profit per character hour in each market I operate in based on a work period I define. The master screen shows the total number of pooled hours across all toons and units per blueprints per set time for building selected item(s). I select from the master screen how much of each item I want to build which reduces the total hours and blueprint runs available. Asset screen allows me to enter my on-hand inventory for both calculating my P&L and buy orders for materials. Work order screen is a matrix allowing me too manually spread the requested products across the eiligble toons. Market order and line haul screen tells me what to buy and from what market including estimated shipping cost along with destination for material. Retail screen is where I enter what products are available and ready for market for which it tells me where to ship it. Final screen is finacials which is driven by my APIs for pulling wallet and character journal and transactions along with manual entries throughout the application with the sole purpose of telling me my income statement up to the current point in my fiscal year along with P&L.

All in all it helps guide me on what to build, who to use, where to buy, and where to sell while accounting for character hours, blueprints, invention, skills, taxes, contract fees, and shipping expenses. It has holes like how to handle BPCs and cant tell me when a market is being manipulated which is where human reseach comes into play. With all that said I started with spreadsheets in 2007 and have migrated from that to web-based over the years. I think at the mininum taking a shot a doing a lot of it yourself using spreadsheets will give you a lot of satisfaction plus learning to build analytics for your VR mfg or trading empire is something you can put on your RL resume.


Almost the same here. I even wrote my own API calls to get everything I need. I got an overview of running jobs, transactions, buy/sell orders and some statistics. Currently working on a job planner to create shopping lists for production. Lots of work, considering that I in the last months, I did more programming than actual playing, but in the long run, it will certainly pay off.
Sheri Angela
#23 - 2014-10-03 20:45:49 UTC
My web app isn't multi-user capable and don't plan on making it so. I don't want to end up being a service provider with real infrastructure and platform costs and no real income to offset. It is however a defined stack that I kick off using Amazon Cloud Formation so in theory I could just hand the stack off to others to use and manage, but don't want to turn over the code base.

TIDI = Increasing profit while decreasing service level to the customer disguised a nicely marketed benefit. What would Amazon have done here.
Sheri Angela
#24 - 2014-10-03 20:47:33 UTC
@Seleria

It's actually good for the resume since it demonstrates skill sets and initiative so yes long run it can help out in RL.

TIDI = Increasing profit while decreasing service level to the customer disguised a nicely marketed benefit. What would Amazon have done here.
SJ Astralana
Syncore
#25 - 2014-10-04 00:05:08 UTC
Leoric Firesword wrote:
SJ Astralana wrote:


Deploying a web app is a non-trivial exercise. You're talking about connection strings, static data, and a hundred other issues involved in replicating an operating environment.



That all depends. My web application is already being built with multiple users in mind (go go corp mates!) and since I've already got a domain for other things it's going up there.

If I ever get to the point where mine is done I'll post it somewhere up here.


Anyone can right-click-deploy. Multi-user scenarios are fairly trivial as it's scaffolded by virtually every framework. The issue isn't the first deployment -- it's replicating change from dev to prod environments, and cost of the infrastructure to support the app, which if you have any real traffic means real costs. With Crius, the bandwidth needed to have current crest data is significant, so cacheing becomes critical, and cacheing is hard. If change were easy, Eve IPH would be available. Changes to static data means implementing a migration of the diff to all deployed instances, not to mention automating schema changes.

I do this for a living, and for fun, and anyone, glassy-eyed end user or rose-glasses dev who says it's easy is misinformed.

Hyperdrive your production business: Eve Production Manager

Selaria Unbertable
Bellator in Capsulam
#26 - 2014-10-04 12:48:28 UTC
Sheri Angela wrote:
@Seleria

It's actually good for the resume since it demonstrates skill sets and initiative so yes long run it can help out in RL.


That's true, although it will certainly take a few more months until I reach a point where I can think about publishing it. There's still too much work to be done (well, there always is).
Sheri Angela
#27 - 2014-10-04 13:35:48 UTC
@SJ Astralana

This is off topic, but yes change management can be challenging and costly depending on the level you go to. One of the reasons I like AWS is due to all the tools I can use to create dev, test, cert, and prod environments as needed. If you haven't used it before check it out, but learning curve can be steep.

TIDI = Increasing profit while decreasing service level to the customer disguised a nicely marketed benefit. What would Amazon have done here.
Jalebi
Tata Space Industries
#28 - 2014-10-04 13:46:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Jalebi
This thread has enough examples of people doing an unnecessary amount of work to give themselves the illusion of streamlined or optimized production.

The only API pulls I use are of mineral and compressed ore prices to help me determine which compressed ores are the best value. I use Qoi's sheet to figure out what minerals/compressed ores I need to buy. I use a relatively simple table where I manually input what ores I've bought, as well as the average price I bought them at, to figure out what more I need to buy and to determine a pricing point for the items I produce with those ores.

I've made a mint without putting in too much back-end work. I don't see the point of super fancy or complicated spreadsheets/web apps/etc, but then again industry isn't my end game.
Sheri Angela
#29 - 2014-10-04 14:13:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Sheri Angela
@Jalebi

If you're goal is to squeeze a respectable profit then yes this is overkill, but then again there can be a huge gap on what you mean by "mint" with some folks being happy just being Targets while others want to be Wal-mart. Comes back to the whole question of what rich means to you in regards to a game. I do it personally as a practical environment for applying new things I learn for my RL gig which pays a mint:).

TIDI = Increasing profit while decreasing service level to the customer disguised a nicely marketed benefit. What would Amazon have done here.
EMT Holding
EMT Holding Corporation
#30 - 2014-10-04 14:13:46 UTC
Jalebi wrote:
This thread has enough examples of people doing an unnecessary amount of work to give themselves the illusion of streamlined or optimized production.

The only API pulls I use are of mineral and compressed ore prices to help me determine which compressed ores are the best value. I use Qoi's sheet to figure out what minerals/compressed ores I need to buy. I use a relatively simple table where I manually input what ores I've bought, as well as the average price I bought them at, to figure out what more I need to buy and to determine a pricing point for the items I produce with those ores.

I've made a mint without putting in too much back-end work. I don't see the point of super fancy or complicated spreadsheets/web apps/etc, but then again industry isn't my end game.

Start looking at T2 production and you'll see why there are so many putting all this effort in. There's very little to think about and consider with T1.

Eve Manufacture Tool - making industry easy
Selaria Unbertable
Bellator in Capsulam
#31 - 2014-10-04 23:10:55 UTC
Jalebi wrote:
This thread has enough examples of people doing an unnecessary amount of work to give themselves the illusion of streamlined or optimized production.


That is a matter of perspective. I consider myself a small-scale industrialist, yet I have 4 characters on 3 accounts capable of doing industry, and planning what to build using spreadsheets has become annoyingly complicated since starting to do T2 manufacturing. Trying to fill 40 manufacturing slots to run at least 24/6 has become a real pita since IskPerHour and it's shopping list is no longer up to date... Besides, it's not a waste of time if I can put my programming skills to good use and learn new tricks. Also, I always enjoy the challenge of solving new problems, which quickly arise in such complex projects.

Jalebi wrote:

The only API pulls I use are of mineral and compressed ore prices to help me determine which compressed ores are the best value. I use Qoi's sheet to figure out what minerals/compressed ores I need to buy. I use a relatively simple table where I manually input what ores I've bought, as well as the average price I bought them at, to figure out what more I need to buy and to determine a pricing point for the items I produce with those ores.

I've made a mint without putting in too much back-end work. I don't see the point of super fancy or complicated spreadsheets/web apps/etc, but then again industry isn't my end game.


I pull data from the EVE API, the CREST API, eve-central and evemarket, I can create income and expenditure statistics for each character or the whole corporation, item specific statistics and much, much more. And since all that calls are done server side by my app, I don't even have to press a button.

For you all this effort might seem like a waste of time, but there are people like me who actually enjoy putting their personal time into programs like EveMon, IskPerHour or EFT. Now, if you excuse me, it's more or less still saturday night, and I'm still too sober for this time of the week.

o/
SJ Astralana
Syncore
#32 - 2014-10-10 21:40:42 UTC
Sheri Angela wrote:
@SJ Astralana

This is off topic, but yes change management can be challenging and costly depending on the level you go to. One of the reasons I like AWS is due to all the tools I can use to create dev, test, cert, and prod environments as needed. If you haven't used it before check it out, but learning curve can be steep.


Azure is on track to obsolete AWS.

Hyperdrive your production business: Eve Production Manager

Myfanwy Heimdal
Heimdal Freight and Manufacture Inc
#33 - 2014-10-11 19:07:14 UTC
EMT Holding wrote:
I started with a spreadsheet but it very quickly became a massive PITA to manage so I ended up writing my own application.


I only just started manufacturing as I find it more interesting than PvP (too old, too slow) or just simply picking my nose (i.e. mining).

I'm starting to enjoy the spreadsheet development and I wish that I got into this before. But the amount of VBA behind my workbook is becoming obscene so I may end up deciding that this may be a good time to learn a new language and have a go doing all this as a proper app somewhere.

Since I never expect to be employed again I am going to do this for me. So I am going to choose the language that I want and it may be an old language from long ago rather than a whizz bang shiny one. I haven't made up my mind yet but as long as I can make my own linked lists and trees then it can be anything.

I just think that I rambled a bit there. Advancing years.

Pam:  I wonder what my name means in Welsh?Nessa: Why?
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