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Bomber Damage Type

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Brigadine Ferathine
Presumed Dead Enterprises
Against ALL Authorities.
#1 - 2014-10-11 01:07:57 UTC
So for bombs and maybe torpedoes it would be nice to have a flat bonus to damage. It gets kind of old because they ONLY have a use in fleets and they don't work with bombs other types because they blow each other up.

Point is it would be nice if everybody could benefit from the bonus without having to fly the same exact ships.
for example
a nemesis gets 5% thermal bomb damage lets get 5% bomb damage of all types. Do that for all ships to make smaller bomber gangs a little more effective... I think its silly that each race has a damage type specific bonus. As far as I know this is the ONLY Galante ship with a elemental bonus. Why the exception?
Zepheros Naeonis
TinklePee
#2 - 2014-10-11 01:45:08 UTC
... or you could just load the correct bomb into your launcher to do the same damage as everyone else. Racial bombers are not limited to only that bomb type.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Wild Geese.
#3 - 2014-10-11 01:49:10 UTC
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
Why the exception?

It is no exception.

Many Caldari ships have bonuses for specific damage types (ex. Kinetic). Even the Helios has a bonus specifically geared towards thermal damage on drones (though, it IS the Helios... so yeah).

You also have to consider than many races are already locked into certain damage profiles by default due to their favored/bonused weapons.

Lasers always deal some combination of EM and Thermal damage.
Blasters and Railguns always deal some combination of Kinetic and Thermal damage.
Even projectile ammo is only semi-flexible... always dealing SOME Kinetic or Explosive damage in any particular ammo (except T2 projectile ammo... which is locked in Explosive and Kinetic damage).

Missiles are the only exception to all this paradigm.



Also... "racial flavor."
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#4 - 2014-10-11 02:57:33 UTC
Yeah, your bomber groups might want to train a few Frigate Vs, and have different types of bombers/bombs in the appropriate staging point.

It's always been like that? Look about at the people who die to Boat

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Brigadine Ferathine
Presumed Dead Enterprises
Against ALL Authorities.
#5 - 2014-10-11 03:42:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Brigadine Ferathine
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Yeah, your bomber groups might want to train a few Frigate Vs, and have different types of bombers/bombs in the appropriate staging point.

It's always been like that? Look about at the people who die to Boat

Just because its always been that way doesn't mean it should stay that way.
"... or you could just load the correct bomb into your launcher to do the same damage as everyone else. Racial bombers are not limited to only that bomb type. " -Zepheros Naeonis
I know you can use any type but you loose your bonus. I am not going to spend 10 years training into ALL races.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#6 - 2014-10-11 05:08:22 UTC
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Yeah, your bomber groups might want to train a few Frigate Vs, and have different types of bombers/bombs in the appropriate staging point.

It's always been like that? Look about at the people who die to Boat

Just because its always been that way doesn't mean it should stay that way.
"... or you could just load the correct bomb into your launcher to do the same damage as everyone else. Racial bombers are not limited to only that bomb type. " -Zepheros Naeonis
I know you can use any type but you loose your bonus. I am not going to spend 10 years training into ALL races.

It isn't that long to train a frigate V... or a few...

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Brigadine Ferathine
Presumed Dead Enterprises
Against ALL Authorities.
#7 - 2014-10-11 05:10:23 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Yeah, your bomber groups might want to train a few Frigate Vs, and have different types of bombers/bombs in the appropriate staging point.

It's always been like that? Look about at the people who die to Boat

Just because its always been that way doesn't mean it should stay that way.
"... or you could just load the correct bomb into your launcher to do the same damage as everyone else. Racial bombers are not limited to only that bomb type. " -Zepheros Naeonis
I know you can use any type but you loose your bonus. I am not going to spend 10 years training into ALL races.

It isn't that long to train a frigate V... or a few...

Long enough to be a joke.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Wild Geese.
#8 - 2014-10-11 05:22:45 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
~ 7 Days per racial frigate + the relevant skills to pilot a stealth bomber (which affect all races equally).

PLUS... each racial frigate skill you get to level 5 opens up a plethora of different ships you can use... not just another Stealth Bomber.

And not using a ship bonus is EVE because you want to do use a different tactic or damage type is a time honored tradition in EVE.
For example:
- buffer tanking a Hyperion.
- using non-kinetic missiles on a Drake
- using light drones on a Gila or Rattlesnake or Eos or Ishtar


tldr; in my opinion, you are whining over something trivial.
Brigadine Ferathine
Presumed Dead Enterprises
Against ALL Authorities.
#9 - 2014-10-11 09:03:49 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
~ 7 Days per racial frigate + the relevant skills to pilot a stealth bomber (which affect all races equally).

PLUS... each racial frigate skill you get to level 5 opens up a plethora of different ships you can use... not just another Stealth Bomber.

And not using a ship bonus is EVE because you want to do use a different tactic or damage type is a time honored tradition in EVE.
For example:
- buffer tanking a Hyperion.
- using non-kinetic missiles on a Drake
- using light drones on a Gila or Rattlesnake or Eos or Ishtar


tldr; in my opinion, you are whining over something trivial.

Ok but none of those things you mentioned render the rest of your fleet useless. If you blow up my bomb that's an issue. If I use light drones In a Gila I am not going to affect you. If I Buffer tank my hyperion I am not going to affect you. If I use non kinetic missiles I am not going to affect you. If I use a thermal bomb while the fleet is using kinetic I kill all your bombs and ruin the fleet.

Do you see the difference between bombing and the examples you provided? Bombs are more penalized.

On a side note I am tired of people constantly calling those who point things like this out and give reasonable suggestions being called whiners. Since when is giving a suggestion and being logical considered whining.
Hopelesshobo
Hoboland
#10 - 2014-10-11 09:17:32 UTC
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:

Ok but none of those things you mentioned render the rest of your fleet useless. If you blow up my bomb that's an issue. If I use light drones In a Gila I am not going to affect you. If I Buffer tank my hyperion I am not going to affect you. If I use non kinetic missiles I am not going to affect you. If I use a thermal bomb while the fleet is using kinetic I kill all your bombs and ruin the fleet.



Then next time the FC should hold all the bombs and the fleet should open trade with the FC.

Lowering the average to make you look better since 2012.

Ix Method
Doomheim
#11 - 2014-10-11 09:32:46 UTC
Its not the suggestion that people particularly have an issue with, more that you consider training for a week to give yourself another option 'a joke'.

Travelling at the speed of love.

Rendiff
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2014-10-11 09:43:24 UTC
Choices matter, and how hard is it to train frigate V for another race?
Evora Pirkibo
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2014-10-11 09:45:03 UTC
Ix Method wrote:
Its not the suggestion that people particularly have an issue with, more that you consider training for a week to give yourself another option 'a joke'.


Quoting truth.

Really your complaining about getting rank 2 skills to V. But you have three options: quit, buy a character, or just train them for diversity. That bomb damage bonus is worth enough to you to post on the forums, but not to train for a few weeks? Living evidence of why we really don't need to pander to new players.

On a long enough timeline, the life expectancy of everyone drops to zero.

Ellendras Silver
CrashCat Corporation
#14 - 2014-10-11 10:18:33 UTC
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
So for bombs and maybe torpedoes it would be nice to have a flat bonus to damage. It gets kind of old because they ONLY have a use in fleets and they don't work with bombs other types because they blow each other up.

Point is it would be nice if everybody could benefit from the bonus without having to fly the same exact ships.
for example
a nemesis gets 5% thermal bomb damage lets get 5% bomb damage of all types. Do that for all ships to make smaller bomber gangs a little more effective... I think its silly that each race has a damage type specific bonus. As far as I know this is the ONLY Galante ship with a elemental bonus. Why the exception?


great idea! lets make it possible for every gun to do every damage and while we are at it give them all the same damage multiplier, and tracking, falloff, optimal, loading time and cap use

and yes it was sarcasm so NO

[u]Carpe noctem[/u]

To mare
Advanced Technology
#15 - 2014-10-11 16:07:36 UTC
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
On a side note I am tired of people constantly calling those who point things like this out and give reasonable suggestions being called whiners. Since when is giving a suggestion and being logical considered whining.

you are a whiner because you are trying to tone down one aspect of the game for no particular reason other than the ppl in your fleet or you are just too damn stupid to use the same type of bomb.
because a bomber have a racial bonus to a certain bomb doesn't meant it HAVE TO use that bomb, if a manticore use a thermal bomb it just lose a 20-25% damage, just build your fleet around the most common race and make everyone use the same bomb.

Sigras
Conglomo
#16 - 2014-10-11 17:11:38 UTC
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Yeah, your bomber groups might want to train a few Frigate Vs, and have different types of bombers/bombs in the appropriate staging point.

It's always been like that? Look about at the people who die to Boat

Just because its always been that way doesn't mean it should stay that way.
"... or you could just load the correct bomb into your launcher to do the same damage as everyone else. Racial bombers are not limited to only that bomb type. " -Zepheros Naeonis
I know you can use any type but you loose your bonus. I am not going to spend 10 years training into ALL races.

1. you lose 25% of the damage.... 75% damage > 0% damage...
2. It's 8 days 18 hours from 0 to level 5 meaning just a little over a month to train every frigate from 0 to 5 That is not that long considering I have single skills that take longer than that to train from 4-5, and considering that IIRC racial frigate 5 is the single skill that unlocks the most possible ships to fly.
Brigadine Ferathine
Presumed Dead Enterprises
Against ALL Authorities.
#17 - 2014-10-13 22:17:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Brigadine Ferathine
Ix Method wrote:
Its not the suggestion that people particularly have an issue with, more that you consider training for a week to give yourself another option 'a joke'.

CCP wants me to spend a month training to get 5% bomb damage bonus. That's a little ridiculous. If you old players have nothing to do but be bitter and flame people go away.
Ix Method
Doomheim
#18 - 2014-10-13 22:32:11 UTC
CCP wants you to spend a month training to get four ships with a (1.05*5) damage bonus. That's entirely reasonable. If you angry people have nothing to do but talk bollocks and annoy people go away.

Travelling at the speed of love.

Zepheros Naeonis
TinklePee
#19 - 2014-10-15 05:33:49 UTC
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Yeah, your bomber groups might want to train a few Frigate Vs, and have different types of bombers/bombs in the appropriate staging point.

It's always been like that? Look about at the people who die to Boat

Just because its always been that way doesn't mean it should stay that way.
"... or you could just load the correct bomb into your launcher to do the same damage as everyone else. Racial bombers are not limited to only that bomb type. " -Zepheros Naeonis
I know you can use any type but you loose your bonus. I am not going to spend 10 years training into ALL races.

8 days to train each frigate skill to 5 is spending 10 years? Ok. Maybe you should quit if this is an inconvenience to you.
Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
#20 - 2014-10-15 06:36:38 UTC
Zepheros Naeonis wrote:
8 days to train each frigate skill to 5 is spending 10 years? Ok. Maybe you should quit if this is an inconvenience to you.



thinks this sucks, can't wait they work themselves up to recon. All those electronics/ewar skills....they will make 8 days a walk in the park really. Talking 10+ days to max just one aspect of that recon. There are several pieces for loads of fun. Even better.....the skills only work in e-war areas really. Another frigate 5 opens up many doors. More co's, af's, pirates, eaf's.....its a pita that pays off in spades.

And sin, with portal. They will love that one.


Many have either x-trained a few bombers (if not all) or just ate the loss of damage.


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