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Tasko Pal
Spallated Garniferous Schist
#21 - 2011-12-13 04:29:45 UTC
Have to say I'm leaning towards the fuel blocks myself. Remaps are only relevant when you're using (or selling) them.
NaturalBeast
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2011-12-13 05:54:00 UTC
Remaps are the gift. Bank on that.
David Forge
GameOn Inc.
#23 - 2011-12-13 07:55:06 UTC
If you're in it for ISK then fuel blocks are likely the way to go. Ultimate value to your character will be best served by a remap. Personally, I chose fuel blocks because ISKies are the thing. Trade skills are so few and so limited that the remap is practically without value if you're only concerned with trade.
Callduron
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#24 - 2011-12-13 08:08:42 UTC
cigarellos wrote:
What would be the reason to select ammo, blueprints or ships over a neural remap when the others you can just buy with ISK?

-cig


For anyone poor or just started 60 m isk is worth more than a few more skill points.

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Avensys
The Waterworks
#25 - 2011-12-13 08:49:41 UTC
cigarellos wrote:
What would be the reason to select ammo, blueprints or ships over a neural remap when the others you can just buy with ISK?

Unless CCP learns from past protests remaps will be pretty useless unless your character already has a remap available.

During the learning skill removal the "extra" remap just brought forward your next scheduled remap if you had no remap available and started a new 12 months counter after that was used.

If you had a remap available the new remap would stack upon it.
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#26 - 2011-12-13 09:00:34 UTC
Akita T nice

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude
Callduron
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#27 - 2011-12-13 09:31:15 UTC
I picked remap on one of my accounts. Just so you all know:

Happy Holidays! Your gift will be available on December 22, 2011.

Otherwise I think Aurum is the best pick for isk value.

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Avensys
The Waterworks
#28 - 2011-12-13 09:42:31 UTC
Callduron wrote:
I picked remap on one of my accounts. Just so you all know:

Happy Holidays! Your gift will be available on December 22, 2011.

Otherwise I think Aurum is the best pick for isk value.

Quote:
That gift will then be made available in the redemption system on Dec 22nd.

http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=3269
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#29 - 2011-12-13 14:09:08 UTC
Akita T wrote:
corestwo wrote:
It won't do **** because you'd have to be ******** not to take the remap.

Do I smell the tinge of concern regarding the overinflated oxytope prices ? Lol


Oxytope interdiction and continued rise in price (and especially related gnashing of pubbie teeth) is a cheap thrill. I don't get concerned over cheap thrills going away...do you?

Not that a pittance in fuel blocks will have much of an effect anyway.

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OllieNorth
Recidivists Incorporated
#30 - 2011-12-13 15:51:26 UTC
I don't see a remap option on that page . . . Sad
Bath Sheeba
Another Success Story
#31 - 2011-12-13 16:28:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Bath Sheeba
Confirmed. Remap option is no longer available.

Hmmmm......Hope they put it back up.

Weird.

I wonder if only a certain % of the eve community can pick each gift? So the longer you agonize the less choices you may have......that would explain the lack of a remap available as a choice today.
OllieNorth
Recidivists Incorporated
#32 - 2011-12-13 18:08:33 UTC
I think it is more a matter of everyone's questions as to how it is implemented. Hopefully it will be back up once they get it ironed out.
Claire Voyant
#33 - 2011-12-13 18:48:17 UTC
Avensys wrote:
cigarellos wrote:
What would be the reason to select ammo, blueprints or ships over a neural remap when the others you can just buy with ISK?

Unless CCP learns from past protests remaps will be pretty useless unless your character already has a remap available.

During the learning skill removal the "extra" remap just brought forward your next scheduled remap if you had no remap available and started a new 12 months counter after that was used.

If you had a remap available the new remap would stack upon it.

I agree with this. A remap is more useful if you can plan on it or apply it without effecting the availability your next remap.

For example I am current on a IM remap. I plan to switch to a PW remap sometime in July or later when my next remap is available. I could use a short charisma remap (couldn't we all?) but any remap I chose now I would be stuck with for a year.

Maybe the lesson we should learn is to hold off until after every christmas before doing any remaps thus letting us stack the remap when and if it comes (it's been two years in a row that we've got one.)

Anyway, I will still probably choose the remap on all my accounts even though I might not use it simply because it is the one thing I can't buy. Also, who knows if they won't do something wacky like give us 2 or 3 or give us a 24-hour window for a free remap like last time. You really can't go wrong betting on a CCP screw-up.
Claire Voyant
#34 - 2011-12-13 18:48:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Claire Voyant
duplicate
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#35 - 2011-12-13 20:21:48 UTC
Remaps are temporarily suspended (with possibility of being brought back or completely eliminated) pending changes to the way they're supposed to work.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=46033
^ For more details.

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corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#36 - 2011-12-14 01:05:27 UTC
Now that is a reason to not take the remap. Hadn't actually realized they worked that way.

Took them on all my accounts anyway. /shrug

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#37 - 2011-12-14 03:39:26 UTC
Claire Voyant wrote:
Avensys wrote:
cigarellos wrote:
What would be the reason to select ammo, blueprints or ships over a neural remap when the others you can just buy with ISK?

Unless CCP learns from past protests remaps will be pretty useless unless your character already has a remap available.

During the learning skill removal the "extra" remap just brought forward your next scheduled remap if you had no remap available and started a new 12 months counter after that was used.

If you had a remap available the new remap would stack upon it.

I agree with this. A remap is more useful if you can plan on it or apply it without effecting the availability your next remap.

For example I am current on a IM remap. I plan to switch to a PW remap sometime in July or later when my next remap is available. I could use a short charisma remap (couldn't we all?) but any remap I chose now I would be stuck with for a year.

Maybe the lesson we should learn is to hold off until after every christmas before doing any remaps thus letting us stack the remap when and if it comes (it's been two years in a row that we've got one.)

Anyway, I will still probably choose the remap on all my accounts even though I might not use it simply because it is the one thing I can't buy. Also, who knows if they won't do something wacky like give us 2 or 3 or give us a 24-hour window for a free remap like last time. You really can't go wrong betting on a CCP screw-up.


This. I'm in a Per Will map. I have my skill queue overfull to the my new remap point in April. A remap now gives me roughly 0 extra utility. An alt I'm training is mapped exactly to the rest of the skills she'll have (with 17 hours off-map), I suppose a map there would go to the alt on that account I'd train after the one I train after the current one (yeah... that's a complicated account). Another account has 1 or 2 maps, I'm fine with adding one to that.

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Atreyu Bayne
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2011-12-14 09:02:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Atreyu Bayne
Fuel Blocks: POS owners will choose this and sell the 3 they don't need. Lots of market warriors will pick this to sell. I don't see a goldmine here, will probably become LESS profitable the longer you wait to sell it once everyone and their dog starts churning out blocks. 40-65m


Fuel BPO's- Already Researched originals for sale via contract at 3-5m markups, no money to be made here unless you research + churn these out of the factory with your dog.


Outliers (Special ships): This will take years before you see a good isk value from your x-mas gift. Ignore.


Ammo/Missiles: Mission runners (A few faster missions or more isk without spending LP) and PVP'ers (More damage for free) will take this, ammo will get used up fast and the prices you see now are a good indicator of what they will STILL be at post x-mas, laser crystals will probably take a slight dip for a very short while however. Nothing exciting here.


+3 Implants - a safe 50m, pick this if you hate speculation. Also goes great with your shiny new 60 day trial alt.


CA-1 - A fitting Implant that I really don't see passing beyond 150m isk any time soon. Its visibility is limited to contracts however, so could be very flexible. Given some time this is probably one of the better gifts to pick for isk.


Aurum - Makes monocle more affordable. Smarter move would be to hold onto this if you don't care about the petty 40-100m you could potentially make on the other gifts. The Nex store will eventually (hopefully sooner than later) be expanded, and those new item's will certainly be worth some dough at first.


So in closing:
-Wait to see if remap comes back and if change is decent.
-Aurum is probably best pick overall, but will probably be a while before you get to use it on nice new things.
-CA-1 is second best but also will take time before coming to fruition.
-+3 implant set and fuel blocks are 3rd best, and the sales will be immediate/same week as x-mas.
-Everything else is for personal use and fun.

Anyone Disagree?
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#39 - 2011-12-14 09:09:29 UTC
Atreyu Bayne wrote:
Fuel Blocks: POS owners will choose this and sell the 3 they don't need. Lots of market warriors will pick this to sell. I don't see a goldmine here, will probably become LESS profitable the longer you wait to sell it once everyone and their dog starts churning out blocks. 40-65m

+3 Implants - a safe 50m, pick this if you hate speculation. Also goes great with your shiny new 60 day trial alt.


CA-1 - A fitting Implant that I really don't see passing beyond 150m isk any time soon. Its visibility is limited to contracts however, so could be very flexible. Given some time this is probably one of the better gifts to pick for isk.


Aurum - Makes monocle more affordable. Smarter move would be to hold onto this if you don't care about the petty 40-100m you could potentially make on the other gifts. The Nex store will eventually (hopefully sooner than later) be expanded, and those new item's will certainly be worth some dough at first.


So in closing:
-Wait to see if remap comes back and if change is decent.
-Aurum is probably best pick overall, but will probably be a while before you get to use it on nice new things.
-CA-1 is second best but also will take time before coming to fruition.
-+3 implant set and fuel blocks are 3rd best, and the sales will be immediate/same week as x-mas.
-Everything else is for personal use and fun.

Anyone Disagree?


The fuel is what, 25hrs worth per type? I think most POS owners wouldn't notice the difference in their fuel runs.

I might aurum and drop a plex for a monocle if that works, if not, hold it for longer.
Depends on how they deal with remaps though.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Destamon
Azure Freelancers
#40 - 2011-12-14 10:30:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Destamon
Aurum is best if you want to use it for yourself to get the monolcle. Resale value of NEX items is typically much lower than conversion rate of ISK to AUR.