Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Cloaks have counters and the system is balanced. Just because the counters are not to your liking, doesn't change the facts.

So balanced that CCP is completely upending it with the change to jump drives.....

You really are reaching now and failing rather badly. I meant cloaks are balanced, as it is the topic being discussed.

You are correct. I misread the statement. I thought it read that "Null was balanced."

The jump change was to show that CCP believed it wasnt balanced.

I personally wont back down from the idea that cloak is unbalanced. There are far too many examples of how its not balanced, even if you want to say that they arent examples.

Yes cloak serves a purpose but much like how CCP is currently making major changes to Null to break up renter alliances and to solve the issue with stagnation.

It stands to read that cloak should be looked at as well. It can too easily be abused.

I can understand why people fight against it. It takes away from their fun by suddenly adding a challenge to what was once a rather safe practice. I have never once advocated for null to be safe. I have always looked for a way to fight and engage cloakies.

I dont want them gone. I want to find an kill them. This unfortunately ruffles the feathers of the cloakies that so enjoy hiding behind them.

Several people have made suggestions on how to change cloaks or add cloak hunting to the game. Many of them are good ideas.

Yet every example is false, simply because you can't do anything but watch while cloaked, and even that isn't a sure thing. Ask the guy who had a cloaky camper streaming the undock of the goon's capitol station how secure a cloaking device is.


Cloaking is not abused. Once again you fail to grasp the simple fact that you can't do anything but watch while cloaked. A cloaked ship is merely a potential threat. In order to have an effect on the game beyond scaring carebears into hiding, you have to decloak. This makes you as vulnerable as any other ship to ending as a splosion.


No, you want easy kills to pad your killboard. There are already several methods to catch cloaky ships as the come into system. Use any number of them.


You mean the same old rehashed ideas that have been regurgitated so many times we've mostly given up trying to explain to those who won't listen why they're bad ideas?

This sounds like it's devolving from a question about why all the cloak threads are locked to yet another reason why cloak threads are locked.

The majority of people who speak on the issue believe that cloaks are balanced and don't need changing. CCP apparently agrees with them.

The reason that the cloak threads keep getting locked is ultimately because there evidently are very few people here who have any quantity of respect for each other. I've only been posting on these forums for a few weeks. In that time, I have seen so many threads about an issue with cloaking that it makes me want to scream. One of the biggest issues with these threads is that nobody wants to use the search function.

Here's a fun little fact. If you search for a topic and find a relevant discussion that isn't locked but hasn't been posted on for quite some time, you can open the thread and add a new reply which will move that thread back to the top of the list with a star next to it indicating that someone wants to reactivate the discussion.

The other biggest issue with these threads is, as I said before, a fundamental lack of respect. If you come on the forums and post an idea or ask a question, you NEED to be ready to receive responses that are contrary to what you believe. That is the very essence of an intelligent discussion. Proposal and counter-proposal. By reverting to insults and ad hominems, intelligent discussions lose all of their value. It is at that point that a DEV comes along, reads the thread, and says to himself, "Well, this topic has no value because these idiots are exchanging insults instead of ideas." If we could have a thread about cloaks where everyone focuses on discussing the topic in a civil manner, rather than behaving like neanderthals, then maybe the DEVs would hold off on locking the thread, even if the topic is redundant.

Also, if you are RESPONDING to someone's idea that you don't agree with, telling them that their thoughts are worthless simply because you disagree with them makes you no better than the poster who is insulting everyone for disagreeing.

So, to answer the OP's question, the reasons that the cloak threads keep getting locked are as follows:
Redundancy
Redundancy
Redundancy
Fundamental lack of respect
Topic quickly devolves from an intelligent discussion to a sh**-flinging bonanza

Edit: For those of you who don't know, "ad hominem" is a Latin phrase that means "to (in this particular case, against) the person." It is used to express a statement that is intended as a direct attack to another member of the discussion, and has no relevant value to the discussion itself.

This is a good example of an ad hominem statement. 100% irrelevant to the proposed topic.

I believe that's mine.

Seriously? The fact that I have zero issues with cloaky campers automatically means I am a cloaky camper? Are you that desperate to validate your little delusions? FYI, I'm about as nullbear as you can get. Check my profile, see the renter alliance? Oh, did that just shatter your little world where I'm the big bad cloaky camper trying to defend his play style? Cause your whole little argument there just got disproven.