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Low Hanging Fruit For New NULL SEC Changes
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Apollo Roe
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2014-10-09 23:00:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Apollo Roe
As the sovereign owner of a system I want to be able to setup messages based on pilot standings that will popup in the new notification system whenever someone comes into a system. This message will popup for the pilot entering the system and no one else.

So if you're a neut and you enter system x from any gate you'll see a message saying "Hi there, we shoot neuts" or "feel free to dock and follow this link to see the laws of our system"

That same system will have different messaging if you're a red, "This system is owned by 'X' and you are red to us, beware" etc...

This will help new players and veterans alike communicate and potentially enable the freeport and NRDS methodologies that may allow for trade hubs to spring up in null after the new changes come out.

Obviously players can opt out of these messages in the new system but it would be nice to be able to tell people that when they enter a system they are safe to dock and buy things at the station or warn them that they are now set to red and should GTFO before they get themselves swatted.

Just an idea, I'd love to get feedback.

Edit for clarification because people dont read the thread
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#2 - 2014-10-09 23:04:06 UTC
Gate taxes. Twisted

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Apollo Roe
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2014-10-09 23:13:07 UTC
Yet another good use Arthur
Krops Vont
#4 - 2014-10-10 08:32:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Krops Vont
They already have this feature.

Exibit A: Dock button is grey'd out now. (Sisi or TQ can't remember)
Exibit B: If they are shooting at you, you aren't blue.

Ninja edit - Or they are shooting and you might not be blue truely Roll

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Viziam
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2014-10-10 08:49:15 UTC
Nice 2 have. But in 0.0 is the don´t blue shoot it rule very common, so if they not blue to you they most likely shoot you.

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Iain Cariaba
#6 - 2014-10-10 08:52:14 UTC
NRDS? What is this you speak of? NBSI is the rule of the land.
Hopelesshobo
Hoboland
#7 - 2014-10-10 08:52:41 UTC
Krops Vont wrote:
They already have this feature.

Exibit A: Dock button is grey'd out now. (Sisi or TQ can't remember)
Exibit B: If they are shooting at you, you aren't blue.

Ninja edit - Or they are shooting and you might not be blue truely Roll


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Apollo Roe
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2014-10-10 15:53:25 UTC
I know that the play styles I'm talking about are not common today but open your brain holes a little and consider what eve will be like when you have to be truly self sufficient in deep null. Having an open market in deep null is going to be an imperative for both earning income as well as drawing people into your region for fights. The world is about to change drastically and if you can't see that you're not paying close enough attention. Big smile
Petre en Thielles
Doomheim
#9 - 2014-10-10 16:13:29 UTC
Apollo Roe wrote:
As the sovereign owner of a system I want to be able to setup messages based on pilot standings that will popup in the new notification system whenever someone comes into a system.

So if you're a neut and you enter system x from any gate you'll see a message saying "Hi there, we shoot neuts" or "feel free to dock and follow this link to see the laws of our system"

That same system will have different messaging if you're a red, "This system is owned by 'X' and you are red to us, beware" etc...

This will help new players and veterans alike communicate and potentially enable the freeport and NRDS methodologies that may allow for trade hubs to spring up in null after the new changes come out.

Obviously players can opt out of these messages in the new system but it would be nice to be able to tell people that when they enter a system they are safe to dock and buy things at the station or warn them that they are now set to red and should GTFO before they get themselves swatted.

Just an idea, I'd love to get feedback.


Why not just have your people watch local and report intel?
Apollo Roe
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2014-10-10 16:19:46 UTC
Petre en Thielles wrote:


Why not just have your people watch local and report intel?



How is that even related to the feature I've suggested here?
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#11 - 2014-10-10 16:30:37 UTC
I actually like this idea. In hisec, messages pop up whenever anyone with sufficiently bad standings (either with CONCORD or the local sovereign empire) enters local. It seems that capsuleer holders of sovereign space should be able to set such messages, not just NPC empires.

+1 for the idea on paper, although I do worry about it's impact on system lag, TiDi, etc. Can you imagine a massive gate fight with that a hundred notifications clogging everyone's screen? Urk.

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Apollo Roe
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2014-10-10 16:35:41 UTC
Bronson Hughes wrote:
I actually like this idea. In hisec, messages pop up whenever anyone with sufficiently bad standings (either with CONCORD or the local sovereign empire) enters local. It seems that capsuleer holders of sovereign space should be able to set such messages, not just NPC empires.

+1 for the idea on paper, although I do worry about it's impact on system lag, TiDi, etc. Can you imagine a massive gate fight with that a hundred notifications clogging everyone's screen? Urk.


Have you used the new beta notification system yet? Also It would be messaging that would pop up to the person entering the system just like when you jump into low sec today before you jump you get a message. This would be slightly more passive in that it wouldn't stop you from jumping in but it would pop a message to you as soon as you hit jump telling you a little bit about what you just got yourself into by entering another groups sov space.

These are not intended to me messages in local, they are not intended to be notifications related to intel they are notification to the person entering a sov system they dont control, along the lines of a putting up a sign "Beware of Dog" so that the post man knows he might get bit.
Elusive Panda
Public Enemies CO
The Initiative.
#13 - 2014-10-10 16:39:39 UTC
If this feature is implemented, how many more gate will have the pop-up message:


THE SANSHA'S NATION WISHES TO EXPAND ITS BORDERS, AND 9HXQ-G IS ONE OF ITS TARGETS. THEY HAVE SET UP A MAJOR BASE OF OPERATIONS IN 3GD6-8 AND ARE SLOWLY DESTROYING ALL OPPOSITION TO THEIR FORCES, WHILE THEIR PEONS BUILD THEIR NEW STARBASES. THE BIGGEST HINDRANCE TO THEIR PLANS IS IN MY-W1V. A GIGANTIC MINING COLONY, ALONG WITH A TRADING HUB, IS LOCATED THERE AND THE INHABITANTS ARE EXTREMELY AFRAID OF WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN TO THEM SHOULD SANSHA DECLARE OWNERSHIP OF THEIR SOLAR-SYSTEM. THEY HAVE ASSEMBLED A SIZABLE FLEET OF AMARR AND AMMATAR SHIPS TO PROTECT THEIR ASSETS, AND PREVENT THE SANSHA'S NATION FROM EXPANDING THEIR SOVEREIGNTY INTO 9HXQ-G.


I wonder.
Burneddi
Avanto
Hole Control
#14 - 2014-10-10 16:59:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Burneddi
Elusive Panda wrote:
If this feature is implemented, how many more gate will have the pop-up message:


[valuable gas clouds have been discovered in sansha etc]


I wonder.

I was thinking about the kind of dialog box you get when eg. jumping into a hostile NPC faction's space, when the faction police announces to everyone on grid that enemies of the state will be shot on sight etc., rather than getting an annoying "Ok" -type dialog box.

Other than the issue of being potentially annoying, I think this idea would be a nice touch. How about rather than a message when jumping into the system, the system owner would be able to set (a short) MOTD for local chat?
Apollo Roe
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2014-10-10 17:13:13 UTC
Burneddi wrote:
Elusive Panda wrote:
If this feature is implemented, how many more gate will have the pop-up message:


[valuable gas clouds have been discovered in sansha etc]


I wonder.

I was thinking about the kind of dialog box you get when eg. jumping into a hostile NPC faction's space, when the faction police announces to everyone on grid that enemies of the state will be shot on sight etc., rather than getting an annoying "Ok" -type dialog box.

Other than the issue of being potentially annoying, I think this idea would be a nice touch. How about rather than a message when jumping into the system, the system owner would be able to set (a short) MOTD for local chat?


Seriously go use the new beta notifications and get an idea of what I'm talking about then provide feedback. It's in production you just have to enable it in game. There wont be a confirmation button, you'll be able to opt out of all of the messages etc. It will serve the same purpose but the implementation is vastly different so as not to be annoying as hell.
Yun Kuai
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2014-10-10 17:14:13 UTC
Apollo Roe wrote:
As the sovereign owner of a system I want to be able to setup messages based on pilot standings that will popup in the new notification system whenever someone comes into a system.

So if you're a neut and you enter system x from any gate you'll see a message saying "Hi there, we shoot neuts" or "feel free to dock and follow this link to see the laws of our system"

That same system will have different messaging if you're a red, "This system is owned by 'X' and you are red to us, beware" etc...

This will help new players and veterans alike communicate and potentially enable the freeport and NRDS methodologies that may allow for trade hubs to spring up in null after the new changes come out.

Obviously players can opt out of these messages in the new system but it would be nice to be able to tell people that when they enter a system they are safe to dock and buy things at the station or warn them that they are now set to red and should GTFO before they get themselves swatted.

Just an idea, I'd love to get feedback.


I like the approach but there would need to be a lot of control and limitations out in place. I can only imagine the amount of spam that would be spewed.

If there were some pre-set messages to auto-notify based on standings then it would be okay for me.
"You've entered X region and you are Y standings towards Q entity and that means you Z scenario (can dock, will be shot, etc)"

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Apollo Roe
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2014-10-10 17:47:50 UTC
Yet again, GO USE THE NEW NOTIFICATION SYSTEM. It as the ability to opt out of every message type.
Petre en Thielles
Doomheim
#18 - 2014-10-10 18:03:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Petre en Thielles
Apollo Roe wrote:
Petre en Thielles wrote:


Why not just have your people watch local and report intel?



How is that even related to the feature I've suggested here?


Because you could have your pilots send a message to a neut or red if you want. This is you wanting the game to do something automatically that should be effort on the part of the pilot.

If I jump into an unknown system and don't look up the sov holder and die, that is my fault. The game shouldn't help me not die.
Apollo Roe
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2014-10-10 18:28:02 UTC
Petre en Thielles wrote:
Apollo Roe wrote:
Petre en Thielles wrote:


Why not just have your people watch local and report intel?



How is that even related to the feature I've suggested here?


Because you could have your pilots send a message to a neut or red if you want. This is you wanting the game to do something automatically that should be effort on the part of the pilot.

If I jump into an unknown system and don't look up the sov holder and die, that is my fault. The game shouldn't help me not die.


It's intended to communicate to all pilots that come in so as the owner of a null sec system you could create a freeport ie open trade hub in null sec.

You're only looking at the pvp aspects and not thinking about this as it's intended as a way to communicate with people that enter your system automatically.
Eldwinn
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#20 - 2014-10-10 18:31:30 UTC
Apollo Roe wrote:
As the sovereign owner of a system I want to be able to setup messages based on pilot standings that will popup in the new notification system whenever someone comes into a system.

So if you're a neut and you enter system x from any gate you'll see a message saying "Hi there, we shoot neuts" or "feel free to dock and follow this link to see the laws of our system"

That same system will have different messaging if you're a red, "This system is owned by 'X' and you are red to us, beware" etc...

This will help new players and veterans alike communicate and potentially enable the freeport and NRDS methodologies that may allow for trade hubs to spring up in null after the new changes come out.

Obviously players can opt out of these messages in the new system but it would be nice to be able to tell people that when they enter a system they are safe to dock and buy things at the station or warn them that they are now set to red and should GTFO before they get themselves swatted.

Just an idea, I'd love to get feedback.


No. Completely removes human error. Additionally this will allow you to cover systems you are not actually in and get information about hostile fleets. There is already a mechanic for this. It is called intel channels, locator agents and not being **** at the game. This is just allowing SOV owners to have lazy pvp. With that noted -1.
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