Intergalactic Summit

Thank You Ms Raske.


Ms Kim it is perfectly okay after all with visual communications from my end down you could not know what gender I may or may not be, so there really is no need to apologise what so ever.
Hmnnn interesting but let me ask you some thing and I 'll try to explain the question best I can since I am the first to admit to being not the best at making my self clear or explaining any thing with crystal clarity.
When you refer to Freedom being by the view point of your self and the Caldari State as being evil, to which degree is freedom evil
by the dictates of this social norm?
To help me understand please humour me a little more as I ask:

• Do you have the choice of what you like the taste of and what you don't like the taste of?
• Do you have the choice of what enemy to attack when they are before you?
• Do you have the choice of acting on your own initiative when you are unable to receive any directives from those above you?
• Do you have the choice of who you fall in love with?
• Do you have a say in what gender your off spring will be?
• Did you choose to become a capsule pilot?
• Do you get to make any choices for your self no matter how big or small from the type of ammo in your vessel to the type of weaponry or equipment used in your vessel?

Um Mr Elmund I used a comma and a full stop and also a set of parentheses and if you don’t understand my post I’m very sorry because writing and speaking are different for people and often it also depends on their mood how they write or speak and some people write how they speak or vice versa or they may not um and your observations and questions about Fedos are right on the nose however I will say that contrary to the literature you might read in my experience the stink of the male is as foul and fulsome and irritating as any female and the perception that the male is less fetid may come about because the male lacks the ability project a concentrated gas because it lacks the little pipe or stinger on its body in order to do so even though it possesses the same baneful digestive system.

I have to support Elmund in the Female Fedo being unsuitable for human companionship. The fumes emitted by female fedos is indeed poisonous. The result varies from deeply irritated skin to outright deadly to humans.
You can remedy this by cutting off the stinger, but this is extremely inadvisable, as Fedos communicate through smell, and this would jeopardize the female fedo in communicating with her male counterparts.
It's suspected the female produces toxic fumes to protect her pregnancy & newborn young. As she produces a brood twice a week, the continious toxic fume production makes sense. Do note, these fumes are not toxic to any Fedo, just to humans & related organics.
Female fedos have to be kept separated in an isolated & sealed room at all times, with a life-support system of course.

So if you value your skin & health, keep male fedos only. Also, male Fedos are more docile them the females, who can be extremely aggressive, which can be contributed to their fast breeding, requiring them to protect themselves & their pregnancy.

Sources are:
Fedos, Know your Pets , containing links to a variety of sources.
The Fedo, a strange animal The article I wrote about Fedos, as a result to their sudden popularity among capsuleers, reminding them that Fedos are a pet best held by experienced pet owners.

Mr. Elle,

Freedom is one of universal evils, it is chaos, that brings only destruction and stagnation.

I will gladly answer to your questions.

Do you have the choice of what you like the taste of and what you don't like the taste of?

I don't have many options in this at the current moment. The taste itself though is a hedonistic function of food. The food is made for our bodies to replenish energy and building material, not for pleasuring yourself with them. Or otherwise you risk yourself ending up like a fat gallentean kakku.
Or, think about this: what would a 1000-ISK cake taste in your mouth, if you will think about billions of oppressed citizens under gallentean occupation, who can't afford even 0.01 ISK piece of bread every day?
Lets say my consciousness blocks this choice.

Do you have the choice of what enemy to attack when they are before you?

In the fleet combat you don't have this choice and follow orders of your fleet commander, otherwise you will be a terrible and useless soldier, who wastes volley.
Without a fleet and fleet commander, unfortunately, responsibility of deciding and analyzing which of targets should be shot first to achieve maximal efficiency lays on your head.
Thus I can't give definitive reply, as it depends on the situation.

Do you have the choice of acting on your own initiative when you are unable to receive any directives from those above you?

It is rather sad when there are no orders about actions to countering the enemy. When there are no direct orders to wait and sit still and you notice enemy movements, you, as a highest officer, in the name of the State, must take all required actions to eliminate the threat.
Yes, you have this choice.

Do you have the choice of who you fall in love with?

I don't know, how exactly to answer to this question. I hope you do, as corporate marriage system should provide you with
several possible matches, that will correspond to your bloodline, physical parameters, skills and social status.
Or maybe not and they just give you one variant.
I can't answer this question, unfortunately, and I recommend you to consult corporate marriage system about it.

Do you have a say in what gender your off spring will be?

Negative, I am not a Maker. That's the Maker's will, or joke of nature. There are possibilities with making desired gender of offsprings, but that belongs to the Tube Child program and they will be neither genetically, nor officially your offsprings.

Did you choose to become a capsule pilot?

I would choose to not to be... if there would be a choice to be something else. *sigh*
It is rather hard to answer this question. I guess I did choose that. But I really don't want even to think about alternatives and what would happen if I wouldn't...

Do you get to make any choices for your self no matter how big or small from the type of ammo in your vessel to the type of weaponry or equipment used in your vessel?

Unfortunately, the Protectorate doesn't provide us with ships ready to action, and we, as capsuleers, are doomed to do multiple unrelated tasks to our job. For example, making choices about fitting, ammo, money collecting methods, storage management, logistics, instead of just flying and fighting. It is a bit frustrating, and, unfortunately, we must make this choices.
This is not very efficient from practical point of view, so, for capsuleer to be successful fighter you should also became successful expert in making ship equipment work together. And that takes away your time that you could use to hone your pure fighting skills instead, or fighting the enemy.
So, yes. The answer is positive.

Mr. Elle, please excuse me, but you were asking questions about the State to a capsuleer.

Of course, I still hold State citizenship, but I am officially... dead. And the answers that I give you, especially about combat and fitting vessels, were provided not by Navy pilot, but by Protectorate capsule pilot. Obviously, six years ago, when I was still a Navy officer, I'd answer them... differently.

But you are right, that in the State you have to earn your privileges with hard work and merit. As our society is highly militarized, getting high military ranks would raise your social status way faster than climbing corporate ladders. Basically, all the rights you achieve, are earned by you. If you didn't earn the right, you can't have it. Simple like that.

And... I am sorry, but I have to disagree with you, when you said that... "it" was more act of survival than personal choice. Unfortunately, it isn't this way. As you can see, I am a capsuleer. And this mean, that my former self has died. I would say... it was a personal choice... of death. By some reasons, that I, please excuse me, don't want to tell.

Returning to the start, please excuse me again, I have a weakness to philosophy.
The chaos doesn't actually brings evolution. The chaos levels everything, destroys complex things, turning them into simple, and, eventually, to a grey formless mass. If you build a house, you place walls in their positions, and then put a roof. But can you do the same with chaotic approach, by just throwing walls and roof into construction plot? You will get a rubble instead of a house, and you can't live there. Evolution is brought not with chaos, but with willpower of people, who are working together, and who will support each other to pass all the tests and difficulties that Winds throws at them, to achieve their goals and bring progress to civilization.

Besides that, I will have to note, that acting against enemy in absence of higher ranged commander is not what freedom tells you.
Freedom would say, you can start dancing on command deck, make faces to crew, go take a sleep, or dinner, play games or drunk to oblivion.
But your duty, your responsibility to your State and your crew, and your loyalty will lead you to meet the enemy in glorious combat and use the tools that will achieve the goal with maximum efficiency. Because your tools, your "possessions" with ships, are property of the State, that you must care about. And peoples, who are under your command, are citizens of the State. They are just the same people, whom you protect from the enemy by destroying this enemy.

There is no need to apologize, Mr Elle, no harm has been done.

I was myself raised as a soldier since my childhood, and may not understand simple social behaviors even in our own society. Being a capsuleer doesn't help it as well, since we are, most of our time, are locked either in hydrostatic pods or solitary capsuleer quarters on stations, we don't live in barracks anymore like all normal peoples do.

You see, I consider word "freedom" as insulting, especially if it is applied to me or my actions. As about following your will, it is the same, if there is an officer, who gives you orders, or you are the highest ranking officer who have to give orders as well. In each case you can have freedom, as, not following orders, or not giving orders and doing your duty. Practically, it is the same from point of view of available actions. You just act on your will, that tells you that you must follow order, or start giving your own orders to accomplish the goal for everyone else's sake.

Only drones follow orders without their will, according to their program. But they can't make their decisions how they will execute order. They just run their program. Humans, on other hand, do understand, that they must follow order, and they make choice to follow order willingly. And take all the decisions about how to execute it with most efficiency. Sansha thought that programming peoples to follow orders would be better, to just remove their will and replace it with strict following... and that was his downfall. And that's why his incursion fleets are slaughtered without a chance to resist our forces. We WANT to win, and we WILL win.

Technically, following or giving orders in combat situation is the same from point of view of human's will. What differs is only your role, your position and your task, that you must perform to accomplish the goal. Some peoples are better suited at planning operations. Others - for executing them. Everyone must be in the place, where they will bring better profit and do their job better than in other places. Everyone must do their own job.

You are right about evolution. It comes from random mutations and genetic traits, that can be as good, and bad. And, lets say, in most cases it is bad. I hope you will agree that some random mutation in a human would way more likely give an illness than an enhancement. Because, it is a chaos. It acts as a force of destruction.

Only under a force that eliminates sick, deformed and outdated elements, new enhanced life can emerge. Look at Caldari people, who were forged by fighting the elements of harsh world of Caldari Prime. And take on other hand Gallenteans, who emerged from lush Gallente Prime. Look at them carefully, building Garoun Empires in the past, they are now degraded into some archaic democracy, they are getting fat in hedonism, and care only about themselves with their individualism. In their society it is usual to sacrifice strong to save weak. In a ten thousand years they will either die out, or achieve their ultimate freedom, by becoming just an animals on planets, without any posessions and clothes, running around in their primal urges. Actually, I don't think we should call them humans anymore even now.

Prey and Predator don't just change to adapt. It's just those, who don't develop, die out. Prey - because they were caught. Predators - because they didn't catch anything. But if you will keep them artificially stable, if you will feed predators disregarding their abilities, if you will let Prey to rest idly, enjoying their hedonism, without need to evade Predator, with time they will lose their abilities and become obese hedonists like gallenteans. When you will release such Prey to evolved Predators, they will all get eaten without a chance and will die out. When you will release such "gallente-type" Predators to evolved Prey, these Predators will die from hunger, because they won't catch anything.

Just think about it: every adult in Caldari city is a trained soldier. Every one of us passes three year obligatory service, and some peoples (like me) dedicate their life to military. But take just regular citizens, without regular army. And put against them a gallente city of exact same population, without regular army. What will happen, if they will need to fight?.. Gallente will die out without a chance.
And this is the Evolution.

Mr Elle,

I agree that biologically we are animals. And animals, like everything around us, have spirits. But on other hand, there is a significant distinction between an animal an a human. It is called sentience. And there are three principles of sentient life: capability of learn, capacity to reason and capacity for self-sacrifice: the conscious ability to override evolution and self-preservation for a cause, a friend, a loved one.

And, unfortunately, I think that natural, animalistic instinct to just live in minmatars took priority over their desire to live to be slaves to no one. And I myself doubt if this desire in them exists at all. As my master was telling me, the real desire of slaves is not to break free from slavery, but rather became slavers themselves and enslave their former owners. If you look from this point of view on actions of elder fleets, of Republic itself, it becomes clear, why them, being free, attack Empire, kill Empire citizens, who never even held any slaves, why they are continuing the war, while Empire is releasing slaves... They won't stop it even when Empire release all of minmatar slaves, many of whom would even prefer to stay in the Empire. Minmatars will come back to punish them more, screaming "Grrr Slavers", until they defeat them all and enslave them. Of course, they will be afraid of this word "slavery", so they will bring other terms like "prison labor force", or something in this sense.

And, returning back to gallente problem, I would like to add, that it isn't just being decadent or having corrupt government like the Federation is the source of this situation. Of course, their government is an anti-human criminal abomination that must be destroyed at all costs. But it takes source in gallente mentality and gallente abilities, that are rooted in gallente genome. They are as a species are spoiled, they became just parasites, who suck resources for their crumbling civilization, attacking and absorbing other cultures and innocent lives. Take for example this current war. Of course, we started it to protect our citizens, who were attacked by gallenteans, screaming to "Exterminate all Caldari", but it went down to lowsec systems, becasue gallenteans wanted to absorb our Black Rise, the systems that were colonized and developed by Caldari. They want just to parasite on us to take our resources, and they decided that we would be easy prey for their expansionist fascist and nationalist regime. Their instinct to survive is forcing them to parasite on others.

Also I agree with you, that even cornered animals becomes rather dangerous. But we, Caldari, aren't war criminals like gallenteans, and we don't need them exterminated. They will die out by themselves. The only thing that we should achieve is to secure the space from their expansion attempts and to demolish their regime, at least at interstellar scale. If they will have such regime down on their planets, without leaving orbits, let them have it, since it will do no harm to anyone.

Thank you Ms Rea , I hop my return to space will be eventful and enlightening as well!
*Wiggles Happily*


Ms Kim the words about the of your Master is the key thing i noticed so what you said about that particular section was your Masters Point of view correct?...so what is YOUR OWN point of view of do you just share your masters Point of view 100%?
Now as for the Minmatar attack civilian targets while i do not condone it I do understand it, tactically and while it may not be the most chivalrous or honourable thing to do makes tactical sense as it's easier to attack civilian targets and attempt to demoralize the enemy than to attack a fleet of sips that would wipe you out it's Gorilla warfare 1.01.
Personally I find it deplorable, attack the actual slavers Yes, attack military targets only Yes, attack Civilian's HELL NO!
All you do is give your enemy the moral high ground and fuel the fires of resistance, you can not demoralize an outraged enemy.

As for this stuff about parasites and war criminals and absorbing territories and what not is probably just what the Gallente Federation is saying about the Caldari State, PERSONALLY I Prefer to extract myself from any one perspective and look at it from both sides as well as from a none biased point of view.
What I see is when both side where once just one whole entity, the Caldari was the part of the whole that provided clarity and discipline so when Caldari left a few decades after the Federation was formed the Gallente became what it is to day because it is incomplete.
As such Ms Kim logically speaking Gallente Federation is as it is today because of the absence of the Caldari State so in conclusion I can only conclude form an out side view point that Caldari is partial responsible for Gallente being how it is.
Or at least that is what the facts lead me to anyway though I could be in error in this conclusion after all I am only Human.

On to the part about Animals, I fear you may be slightly off center on your assessment about sentience as some animals have shown to have a basic level of sentience and self awareness, many have been know to perform self sacrificing deeds to protect another one example and a very strong one is how a pet canine has in many occasions given its life or put its own life in jeopardy to save its Human despite never being trained for such things.
The only thing we Human's have over the rest of the animal Kingdom is to things; Opposable Thumbs & Technology.

Ms Kim, in re-guards to the subject of civilian and none civilian targets;
You say you find it deplorable but to those who are taken against there will they are part of the threat, as such I can only deduce from an external view point as viable targets, hmnnnn perhaps I should have been more clear if this is the case I apologise for my error.
Please allow me to clarify more on the subject please.
By Civilian targets I refer to populace ad locations like hospitals, homes and other none combat related property and personnel,
Slaver are trained even if only lightly in combat operations and more than often utilize weaponry with the explicit purpose of using them for more than defensive purposes as such this makes them no longer civilian class targets.

By the other part about making themselves slave's to some deity well I can't comment upon this as it is their culture and custom to worship some entity that may or may not exist is up to them as their social belief, how ever when that encroaches on the social norm and beliefs of another race that disagrees with this will end up in the situation we have with Amarr and Minmatar.
Once again you have tow radically different prospective view points meeting and unable to accept what the other believes and use direct force try force there prospective unto the other.
For Amarr trying to force their religious Beliefs and force the Minmatar and yes some have come over to the view point or have after being born into a life of servitude just accept it as the norm.
While for the Minmatar they reject the idea of Amarr's worship of a Deity having their own belief system all ready in place, as such they reject Amarr's claim over them and resist.
Both sides believe the are in the right and that the other side is evil.

Yes Caldari left after a few decades but if thy had stayed they may well have influenced the Federation as a whole and who knows we may have had the Gallente State or even Gall'dari Empire? But this is a mute subject really since Caldari did leave.
Though I still see from an external view point that logically Caldari has some responsibility even if it's minute and insignificant as to how the Federation developed.
From it's leaving and from setting up as a separate race has had some influence even if indirect, now include the conflicts that both the State and the Federation have endured int o the mix and we have an interesting conclusion.
And when we boil down all the facts we are left with cause and effect that shows had the two race snot split up then the outcome may well have been different but again this is a mute subject as both Races are separate in the here and know.

Now as for the bias animal thing in regards to the subject matter of the Gallenteans I can only conclude that you look upon them as or the majority of them as being sub-human or inhuman?...why is this?
I do not mean what is the State creed in regards to the Federation But why YOU believe this to be so?

Oh nearly forgot:


First off what one calls a terrorist another may well call a freedom fighter, it's all in what particular prospective you view it in.
As for the other part it falls again once more how your viewing it, to some its true to others it is not.
Personally I would like for all of us to come together like we did when four of the five races banded together to take down the common threat of Sansha Kuvakei, but I'm not foolish enough to think that will ever be more than a pipe dream as the differences between the races are to vast to allow this to become a reality for any real decent amount of time.
Alliances and treaties yeah but not coming together as a single race, it is some thing logically would be most improbable.

Welcome back!