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The Empires Are Lying

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Tarqeus Prime
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2014-10-09 22:30:41 UTC
What makes you Saede Riordan a more credible scientist than the empires? I know what Valerie Valates scientific credentials are but I do not know yours.
Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
#22 - 2014-10-09 23:51:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Jandice Ymladris
The 4 Navies are asking us to turn over the sleeper salvage without any form of financial composition, reducing us to mere errand boys.
That alone merits the call to follow a different road. And while we as capsuleers are a very divided group, we'll have to make a stand as capsuleers, not as member of one of the factions if we want to be heared in the future as well.
Because if we support this Sleeper research of the 4 nations without a call of protest, then they'll keep us treating like they do now: errand boys.

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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#23 - 2014-10-10 00:02:04 UTC
We were born to serve the State, and we will die, serving the State, Ms. Ymladris.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Streya Jormagdnir
Alexylva Paradox
#24 - 2014-10-10 05:55:21 UTC
I'd like to remind the captivated reader who might be inclined to take potshots at Coordinator Riordan that the original call for an independent donation pool was issued by Sleeper Social Club, who are well-reputed wormhole explorers and occupants of Anoikis. It is only reasonable that when the core empires start taking a reinvigorated look at Sleeper data shards wormhole groups (who are in the business of excavating for all things Sleeper-related) will begin to second-guess the real value of all this stuff piling up in their starbases. Wouldn't it be a shame if we've been getting undercut this entire time?

I am also a human, straggling between the present world... and our future. I am a regulator, a coordinator, one who is meant to guide the way.

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Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2014-10-10 06:14:34 UTC
Jandice Ymladris wrote:
Tarqeus Prime wrote:
What makes you Saede Riordan a more credible scientist than the empires? I know what Valerie Valates scientific credentials are but I do not know yours.


Well, the 4 Navies are asking us to turn over the sleeper salvage without any form of financial composition, reducing us to mere errand boys.
That alone merits the call to follow a different road. And while we as capsuleers are a very divided group, we'll have to make a stand as capsuleers, not as member of one of the factions if we want to be heared in the future as well.
Because if we support this Sleeper research of the 4 nations without a call of protest, then they'll keep us treating like they do now: errand boys.


You didn't actually answer the question.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
#26 - 2014-10-10 06:57:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Jandice Ymladris
Elmund Egivand wrote:


You didn't actually answer the question.


I admit & that was a fault of mine. I have edited the response you quoted to reflect this. As to the scientific credentials of miss Saede, I'll leave it to people more experienced to me to dig up the necessery information.
I'll stick from now on in this thread to the basic information sharing, without letting emotions get the better of me.

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Solecist Project
#27 - 2014-10-10 08:12:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
Jandice Ymladris wrote:
The 4 Navies are asking us to turn over the sleeper salvage without any form of financial composition ...
All that this other guy tells us is that there will be compensation, but he doesn't say anything substantial.
If he really means it, he should tell what kind of compensation, because that'll motivate people!

So I call bullshit ... and he gets what he deserves.


Besides ... who is this guy anyway?
I would have trusted VV far more than this former eveuni person.

EVEUNI! That alone gives it a stinking feeling.

No thanks!

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

Gwen Ikiryo
Alexylva Paradox
#28 - 2014-10-10 09:16:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Gwen Ikiryo
The problem of this idea is that it assumes benevolent intent amongst the majority of Capsuleers, which simply could not be further from the truth. With respect as it is due to my CEO, I'd much rather have a new piece of dangerous and powerful technology under the control of any of the 4 empires, manipulative and deceitful natures or not, then in the hands of a completely unstable and discordant group of what mostly consists of profit-obsessed authoritarian dictators at the best of times, and thieves and mass murderers at the worst.

Further, I severely question the portrayal of us as exploited victims who deserve anything at all, considering the lifestyle of ludicrous excess the average pod pilot already enjoys. Make no mistake; Us hoarding technological progress for ourselves and leaving the rest of the world to capitulate to our terms or rot simply because we have the position of advantage to do so would not be a bold, heroic defiance of authority. Rather, it would be just another example - amongst a near-infinite number in human history - of a small group of hyper-privileged and hyper-empowered individuals selfishly profitting at the expense of the vast majority of human beings alive.

It really doesn't seem like a good idea at all.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2014-10-10 09:47:46 UTC
Gwen Ikiryo wrote:
The problem of this idea is that it assumes benevolent intent amongst the majority of Capsuleers, which simply could not be further from the truth. With respect as it is due to my CEO, I'd much rather have a new piece of dangerous and powerful technology under the control of any of the 4 empires, manipulative and deceitful natures or not, then in the hands of a completely unstable and discordant group of what mostly consists of profit-obsessed authoritarian dictators at the best of times, and thieves and mass murderers at the worst.

Further, I severely question the portrayal of us as exploited victims who deserve anything at all, considering the lifestyle of ludicrous excess the average pod pilot already enjoys. Make no mistake; Us hoarding technological progress for ourselves and leaving the rest of the world to capitulate to our terms or rot simply because we have the position of advantage to do so would not be a bold, heroic defiance of authority. Rather, it would be just another example - amongst a near-infinite number in human history - of a small group of hyper-privileged and hyper-empowered individuals selfishly profitting at the expense of the vast majority of human beings alive.

It really doesn't seem like a good idea at all.


In this case it's the choice of the lesser evil.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Solecist Project
#30 - 2014-10-10 10:39:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
Elmund Egivand wrote:
In this case it's the choice of the lesser evil.

The lesser evil, which is supporting the empires.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#31 - 2014-10-10 10:45:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Samira Kernher
No, it's really not the lesser evil. Anything that gives the empires more power is a good. If it's at the expense of capsuleers, then even better.
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#32 - 2014-10-10 12:34:43 UTC
Desiderya wrote:
Everybody lies - it's hardly news. Wouldn't be surprised if this is just an attempt to slow something inevitable down.



Jace Sarice wrote:
There is no independence from the empires.


Yet.

And IF new "empires" arise there will be no independence from them to.

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude

Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
#33 - 2014-10-10 12:34:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Jandice Ymladris
Due to a publication error from Concord Communication Personnel, a new corrected list has been published. I have edited the previous post in this thread to make it clear. The old numbers released were a calculation error!

Correct list:


  • Amarr - 132.301

  • Caldari - 76.976

  • Gallente - 54.980

  • Minmatar - 13.130

  • Independent - 13,082


Amarr are clearly in the lead, with Caldare & Gallente following in a solid 2nd & 3rd place. Minmatar are lagging severely behind & have to keep an eye out that their research accumulation won't be beaten by the independents.

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Solecist Project
#34 - 2014-10-10 12:37:56 UTC
76k ???

NO WAY! :O

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
#35 - 2014-10-10 12:40:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Jandice Ymladris
Solecist Project wrote:
76k ???

NO WAY! :O



Keep in mind, these is NOT the latest update, it is the corrected research list that was published earlier. My assumption (this is a hypothesis, not a fact) is that Concord Communication Personnel switched the value of Neural Networks & Sleeper Libraries.

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Solecist Project
#36 - 2014-10-10 12:44:02 UTC
Jandice Ymladris wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
76k ???

NO WAY! :O


Keep in mind, these is NOT the latest update, it is the corrected research list that was published earlier. My assumption (this is a hypothesis, not a fact) is that Concord Communication Personnel switched the value of Neural Networks & Sleeper Libraries.
You mean the mistake is based on applying the wrong values to their respective items?

Sheesh ... Common Calculation Problems ...........

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

Da Dom
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2014-10-10 13:41:00 UTC
Meh... Scammers gunna scam

They should stop acting like amatuers

Because Far-que... That's why.

Streya Jormagdnir
Alexylva Paradox
#38 - 2014-10-11 07:55:12 UTC
Gwen Ikiryo wrote:
The problem of this idea is that it assumes benevolent intent amongst the majority of Capsuleers, which simply could not be further from the truth. With respect as it is due to my CEO, I'd much rather have a new piece of dangerous and powerful technology under the control of any of the 4 empires, manipulative and deceitful natures or not, then in the hands of a completely unstable and discordant group of what mostly consists of profit-obsessed authoritarian dictators at the best of times, and thieves and mass murderers at the worst.

Further, I severely question the portrayal of us as exploited victims who deserve anything at all, considering the lifestyle of ludicrous excess the average pod pilot already enjoys. Make no mistake; Us hoarding technological progress for ourselves and leaving the rest of the world to capitulate to our terms or rot simply because we have the position of advantage to do so would not be a bold, heroic defiance of authority. Rather, it would be just another example - amongst a near-infinite number in human history - of a small group of hyper-privileged and hyper-empowered individuals selfishly profitting at the expense of the vast majority of human beings alive.

It really doesn't seem like a good idea at all.


We're the ones risking lives and ships in collecting the trinkets they want us to give them. I think it's only fair that we remain part of the equation when technological discoveries are made. We already have a medium through which capsuleers can aid in the research of Sleeper technology: the Arek'jaalan Project. Why aren't these avenues being taken by the empires? By excluding a donation option for A'J it almost comes as a slap in the face to anyone who seriously wants to aid in the progression of knowledge, and I think it goes without saying that such potentially powerful data is better in the hands of a scientist like Tukoss than poster-boy admirals and politicians.

When all of the options are poor in an election, some people will write-in their friends or fictitious people and essentially vote "none of the above". Sometimes the write-in is Sleeper Social Club, for lack of a better option. Of course, opinions vary wildly even within our own organization. The flexibility of the sell-to-corp model will allow each of us to make our own decisions, and I hope you make the one you find most reasonable Pilot Ikiryo.

I am also a human, straggling between the present world... and our future. I am a regulator, a coordinator, one who is meant to guide the way.

Destination Unreachable: the worst Wspace blog ever

Kucial Kinan
Kinani Consortium
#39 - 2014-10-11 14:03:08 UTC
It should not surprise anyone that the donations to the Amarr Empire outshine the others. Some people thought the Caldari ISK-shifters would be the linchpin. As it turns out, their selfish and vulgar obsession with ISK outweighs any adhesion they have to their people. I am unsure as to why this surprises anyone.
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#40 - 2014-10-11 17:24:33 UTC
Mr. Kinan, such bold words! Pride cometh, et cetera, et cetera.

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