Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Don't smartbombs work as a pretty good deterrent for Interceptors?

Check this post: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5104328#post5104328 for how you can do it in an interceptor in even less time than the industrial takes.

I do wish they would have setup more of a racetrack pattern. And what's up with the northern sector? Entirely underserved. More bridges please.

Why? You get a 50% reduction from the cov-ops bridge on top of the 90% reduction from the hauler bonus. So that means you have to wait 4 minutes between 8ly jumps. Is that really a huge burden?

No. Not using a travel fit interceptor and bothering with any jump fatigue related mechanic to get from Delve to Venal is wrong. Travel fit interceptor will get you there faster and much safer than the supposed method of travel that you and others belonging to your player group have claimed would be preferred.

Logistics was killed in its tracks with the initial proposal Greyscale came up with, and I see that he managed to address that problem rather adequately.

Grath is spot on. Greyscale, I ask you a simple question here. Do you think this will change the current status quo of logistics in Eve? Does reeling back capital projection alone promote content in nullsec without also finally cutting the umbilical cord to Jita nullsec currently relies on? Its a bit of a post, but if you could take the time to read it, I'd appreciate it.

1. At the moment, there is little to no point in me sourcing, producing or converting nullsec materials locally. It's far more time and energy efficient to continue to import and export out of Jita through a JF cyno chain.

2. Alliance mates who run moon goo POS networks across 6 different regions maintain those POS with relative ease through a similar JF network, importing and exporting out of Jita. The logistics capability to import a large proportion of a major powerbloc's war materiel needs as well as then exporting out a heafty chunk of the wealth of nullsec moon goo is done by less than a dozen players, in relative safety and with no real need of support from our alliance mates.

3. Our greatest threat comes from being ganked moving our goo through several high sec jumps to Jita. At no point throughout the extraction process from null sec are we currently at threat. The process takes about 40min total to complete.

4. Our enemies use similar processes and there is therefore no reasonable way for us to disrupt their industrial capability or harass their war logistics through asymmetric warfare or conducting raids through their territory.


Your original changes would have forced a complete rethink on this. We were in the process of going back to the drawing board on how to completely revolutionise our organisation. Everything from localised production, getting more people involved with logistics, communal sharing of corporation JFs, assigning responsibility for FCs to perfect raiding and blockading theories, hell, even looking at recruitment of carebears to prop up the corps pvp-centric demographic was on the table.

There was genuine excitement, uncertainty and interest from the playerbase, most of whom are long term players who are currently either unsubbed or are simply playing alternative games, sporadically logging into eve for pings occasionally.

Greyscale, you may or may not remember chatting to me at FF eariler on in the year and I came away from FF assuring my corp and alliance mates that there were Devs @ CCP who got it, that actually had a great vision of what nullsec needed and should become to encourage content enabling.

When I read of the upcoming changes I was so excited. On forums and over Comms you could feel the anticipation of changes this fundamental to the game. Chaos. Uncertainty. Vulnerability. Finally.

Skip forward to now and there is a deflation and concern that the Devs involved in these changes are going to bend to the overwhelming cries of the uninspired out there. It's a lot of pressure on you. Its almost instinctual now that no matter what you post, some ******* is going to threaten to unsub because of it. You could be turning the contents of the sandbox into golddust and still people will complain they dont like the color yellow.

Greyscale, your original changes were spot on. Null sec logistics, movement and resupply needed an overwhelming nerf. By reeling back those changes to something mediocre I dont think you will get the desired effect. I think you are underestimating the Eve communities ability to adapt to change and overcompensating (at the risk of actually creating content and instability) for forum whining that is based more on players ingrained conservatism or perhaps more sinister, the wish to protect their own income sources at the expense of the greater good and longevity of the game as a whole.

I ask you this again Greyscale. In the framework of the 4 listed points above, now that I can still logistically resupply my alliance with little to no risk, how does this fit into a vision of smaller entities, limited coalition spread and a populated, semi independent nullsec?

Humanity has always been dragged kicking, crying and screaming into the future by those brave enough to enact their vision. Don't pussy out on us now that you are so, so close.



EDIT: Also, this is the first time I have posted on the Eve-O forums in nearly two years. God, I feel dirty.

Odd, I never made any preference known in my post and simply asked for clarification on what was being said.

It's almost as if you can't accept people from a player group are allowed to think for themselves, that makes me sad friend. Why would you fall for such a flawed view on life?



They prefer pumpkin.

Buzzwords is definitely an interesting way to think about it.

Eve needs to be less psssssh

I am honestly a little turned on about the addition to blockade runners. Long live the prowler.

I've heard the term so often in the last month than I ever have in my entire year of playing that I question what it even meant anymore. The way I understood it, power projection was the ability of large coalitions, alliances and anyone to do with disposable income and disposable assets such as carriers and super carriers to consistently, effortlessly and riskless-ly drop massive amounts of munitions on anyone they could. I legitimately don't think this is a capital ship problem but a problem with how much money and assets and everything exists in the game. I ask in game what people think "power projection" means and its a garble of stuff mixed between "caps are OP" or "JD's are op" and "muh power projection" has so many different definitions according to so many different people, its a buzzword used to describe something they don't like. They don't seem to see it as "geez my 12 man cruiser gang just got hotdropped by the jump portal of a titan, which dropped 3 carriers, 2 dreads and an Aeon all in one sitting instantly" they see it as "caps are OP and their this is OP and this thing that killed me is OP". When really I think they're forgetting WHO exactly dropped on them, people with such a ridiculous amount of disposable income and assets that even if its a trap and they lose tens of billions of ships and the next day its like it never happened. You think the battle of B-R was big? that isn't anything there WILL be a bigger battle in EVE as their expendable cash grows exponentially. All those titans lost? Probably nothing in terms of their economic power, I bet all the titans lost have been already replaced since then.

This whole talk about sov changes and capital "power projection" changes should have been about who was shooting and not what they were shooting.