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[Phoebe] Lowsec Doomsdays

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Dansara
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#41 - 2014-10-09 23:49:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Dansara
Thanks Fozzie, lowsec DD is much appreciated. This is probably more directed at Titan rebalancing, but can we get the SMA of a titan increased?

Secondly, can DD's be overhauled where they are scriptable? Like the HIC bubble? Basically make the focussed DD only be able to shoot at caps as they do now.

Unscripted DD acts like 50% dmg AOE with diminishing returns. Where the further away from the titan you are the less dmg you take.

I.e. Within 10km you take 100% of the adjusted AOE wave, 10-50km you take a reduced amount , out to 100km etc etc?

Edit: saw this was already suggested, before reading.
kidkoma
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#42 - 2014-10-10 00:30:47 UTC
Dansara wrote:
Thanks Fozzie, lowsec DD is much appreciated. This is probably more directed at Titan rebalancing, but can we get the SMA of a titan increased?

Secondly, can DD's be overhauled where they are scriptable? Like the HIC bubble? Basically make the focussed DD only be able to shoot at caps as they do now.

Unscripted DD acts like 50% dmg AOE with diminishing returns. Where the further away from the titan you are the less dmg you take.

I.e. Within 10km you take 100% of the adjusted AOE wave, 10-50km you take a reduced amount , out to 100km etc etc?

Edit: saw this was already suggested, before reading.



So basically a supersmartbomb?
Kossaw
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
#43 - 2014-10-10 00:39:53 UTC
JEFFRAIDER wrote:
Can Titans use stargates after doomsdaying?


Apparently 'Yes - sometimes". Lol

It seems to be pretty bugged atm. Sometimes you can jump and your DD timer gets reset, sometimes your Agro Timer sticks on One Minute, You cant jump and everything works as it should.

WTB : An image in my signature

Nolak Ataru
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#44 - 2014-10-10 02:32:00 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Noah Swan wrote:
Will this lead to bombs and bubbles also becoming useable in low-sec in the long run?


Nope.


Logic.

CCP aint using it.
Shey Nabali
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#45 - 2014-10-10 03:38:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Shey Nabali
Kossaw wrote:
JEFFRAIDER wrote:
Can Titans use stargates after doomsdaying?


Apparently 'Yes - sometimes". Lol

It seems to be pretty bugged atm. Sometimes you can jump and your DD timer gets reset, sometimes your Agro Timer sticks on One Minute, You cant jump and everything works as it should.




You have to kill the DD target. If you don't kill the DD target your aggression timer sticks. If it dies, your aggression goes away and you can jump through the gate.


EDIT: a word
Kat Ayclism
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#46 - 2014-10-10 06:29:01 UTC
Shey Nabali wrote:
Kossaw wrote:
JEFFRAIDER wrote:
Can Titans use stargates after doomsdaying?


Apparently 'Yes - sometimes". Lol

It seems to be pretty bugged atm. Sometimes you can jump and your DD timer gets reset, sometimes your Agro Timer sticks on One Minute, You cant jump and everything works as it should.




You have to kill the DD target. If you don't kill the DD target your aggression timer sticks. If it dies, your aggression goes away and you can jump through the gate.


EDIT: a word

Nope.
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#47 - 2014-10-10 06:29:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Rivr Luzade
DJ FunkyBacon wrote:
As I have stated previously, removing DD restriction in lowsec is fine, as long as point immunity goes out the window with it. Give supers a high native warp strength in the 5-6 range. Alternatively you could make hics not worthless in lowsec for anything but pointing supers where someone might actually be willing to sacrifice a decent ship to have one in fleet. As it stands, an atron is worth more to me as a small gang FC than a Phobos, and that's not an exaggeration.


Then use a proper HIC and not this piece of garbage. Not to mention: Use proper tactics. If your frigate roam encounters a super capital fleet out of the blue, they should not have any means to stop them (except for bumping). They should then shadow them and call in proper ships to deal with them. That's the point of a frigate and that's how they are supposed to interrupt and intercept capital movement.
Moreover, use scouts around the area so that you do not encounter a capital fleet out of the blue, and instead know where they are if there is any, and bring proper ships from the start.

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Asuka Solo
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#48 - 2014-10-10 06:32:04 UTC
I approve of this change.

Now look into scripted AoE doomsdays on T2 Titans to solve lag.

Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!

Kira Hizu
Rotten Kimchi Squadron
#49 - 2014-10-10 07:22:09 UTC
Hello!

Once again we look for new or better roles for a titan. Since CCP has made some cool changes. It's time we push for HIC size titain. Thats right with cool scripts of which it can play out during combat.

Scripts ?

Fleet Bones Killer (Enemy stop getting fleet bones if in side the bubble)
Web Disruption
Warp Disruption
Ship Anchor (Can't lock unless inside it's bubble)


ideas are endless...
Niden
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#50 - 2014-10-10 07:30:53 UTC
DJ FunkyBacon wrote:
As I have stated previously, removing DD restriction in lowsec is fine, as long as point immunity goes out the window with it. Give supers a high native warp strength in the 5-6 range. Alternatively you could make hics not worthless in lowsec for anything but pointing supers where someone might actually be willing to sacrifice a decent ship to have one in fleet. As it stands, an atron is worth more to me as a small gang FC than a Phobos, and that's not an exaggeration.


I agree with the above. +1

Also:
NO BUBBLES IN LOWSEC
NO BOMBERS IN LOWSEC
0.0 can keep that ****.

/N
Drackarn
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#51 - 2014-10-10 07:55:46 UTC
As a low-sec PvP dweller/capital pilot, I have got nothing against DD's now they are not the "Push Button. Nuke ALL THE THINGS. (Its the only way to be sure)." that they used to be.

However, just want to re-emphasise the point that has already been made. HICs and only semi useful in low and DICs are pretty useless for their primary function. I have a HIC in the hanger fitted for infa-point for low-sec supers/stabbed-to-the-nines smart-bombing BS. However they are not easy to catch. In the days of DnD more supers escaped than we caught simply because a HIC has to land, lock, point rather than in null where it is land and BUBBLE!

We don't want bubbles in low-sec, but if we're using our capitals and risk a super or 12 turning up, we need a way of tying them down. At the minute it is too easy for a super to escape in low-sec.

FB suggested high native warpcore strength which might work. Another might be to have a super-only type bubble for low-sec. One that only effects super-capitals? I am not a coder so no idea if that is easy or "pos revamp" type difficult. Third option would be infina-points for dictors. A dictor only high-slot module? Or how about a charge for the dictor bubble launcher that requires a lock and disables the warp/jump drive of the target for 2 minutes?

So many solutions to the main problem here - low-sec needs a better way to capture supers than an infina-point fit HIC.

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Sanche Tehkeli
Bionesis Technologies
#52 - 2014-10-10 08:50:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Sanche Tehkeli
I agree with the concern of being capable of pinning a super down, even for a few dozen of seconds.

Because supers could aggro on gate (and they are wide enough to cover gates except Empire ones), deaggro, wait for 1 minute, gatejump, relax while gatecloaked and jump out if fatigue allows, that's quite a boost of their impunity. Even HICs couldn't prevent a super to use the gate at the moment.

Obviously, if a Titan uses its DD, it should be pinned for the whole timer, including use of gates. And HIC pointed supers shouldn't be able to use gates as well.

That is sensible to me, as a low-sec dweller.
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#53 - 2014-10-10 09:58:22 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Hey everyone. As we mentioned in our recent dev blog, we are looking at enabling titan doomsday device operation in lowsec space.

The restriction against lowsec use of doomsdays is a relic of the days when the doomsday was an AoE weapon like bombs. We have been wanting to clear up this exception for quite a while, and with the changes to capital ship movement in Phoebe we have an excellent opportunity to clear this up.

All existing restrictions around the doomsday decide will remain, including the fact that they can only be used against capitals.

Let us know what you think!



First you make the usage of solo capitals seems less riskier due to jump drive nerfs and less chance (less than 99% as is now) of ahotdrop. THen you bring that and basically defines that NO !! YOU SHALL NOT UNDOCK in a SOLO carrier (or 2-3 for the matter) in low sec.

GReat work.. (sorry beign sarcastic). You are makign low sec even more adverse to smaller groups.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"

Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#54 - 2014-10-10 09:59:54 UTC
Nolak Ataru wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Noah Swan wrote:
Will this lead to bombs and bubbles also becoming useable in low-sec in the long run?


Nope.


Logic.

CCP aint using it.



REad his ORIGINAL post. He IS usign logic. HE said celarly that things they restrict in low sec are EXACLTY AoE things. And htat is why Doomsdays do nto need to be restricted there anymore ( on their view)

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"

Niden
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#55 - 2014-10-10 10:53:02 UTC
Just to be clear: I believe in allowing DD and giving heavy interdictors a secondary role / reason to have in lowsec.
Airi Cho
Dark-Rising
Wrecking Machine.
#56 - 2014-10-10 11:36:39 UTC
+1 on the dont let titans jump until the DD timer is up.

but hics are fine even for lowsec. focused script works nicely as long range tackle even against battleships and such. or deep space transports.
Onslaughtor
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#57 - 2014-10-10 11:52:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Onslaughtor
I personally do not like this change. Mostly because the balance between capitals and titans is already so imbalanced. Supers are already so hard to tackle in lowsec as it is that this change basically will lead to less interesting and less balanced capfights between lowsec entities.

So either don't do this. Or make it so supers can be tackled by something other than only 4 types of ships that can't be repped.


Basically Lowsec has had a interesting capital balance that was different from null. This would remove some of the uniqueness without adding anything positive for the denizens of lowsec.
Luscius Uta
#58 - 2014-10-10 12:11:25 UTC
I would not touch the EWAR immunity since using your Titan to doomdsay someone puts it at significant risk for the next 10 minutes (during this timer Titan also should not be able to use stargates after these changes) and any non-scrub group should be able to board few HICs and Dreads in that time (as well as batphone in needed). Of course there's few exceptions to the above - like when Titan pilot is in PL or has a POS in system, but overall I think these changes will cause more dead Titans than dead Jump Freighters.
Also +1 to the idea of HIC-like scripted DD (single target with script, AoE effect that can be activated only in null without).

Workarounds are not bugfixes.

Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#59 - 2014-10-10 12:55:15 UTC
Nolak Ataru wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Noah Swan wrote:
Will this lead to bombs and bubbles also becoming useable in low-sec in the long run?


Nope.


Logic.

CCP aint using it.


Offensive AOE actions are likely to give Crimewatch conniptions, which from memory is one of the reasons AoE DDDs were barred from lowsec in the first place.
Vulfen
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#60 - 2014-10-10 13:05:56 UTC
Crazey Monkey wrote:
Anthar Thebess wrote:
Leave lowsec like it is now.
In lowsec titan pilot can easily DD a JF/Rorqual on station undock while not being in any danger.
Only thing that can threat super in lowsec is hic.

In nullsec this can be light dictor, or just anchorable bubble to keep titan in place.

You can easily jam a hictor, but you cannot do this to a sabre bubble or anchorable one.

We will get 2 falcon + cloacked titan sitting on some undocks.

Sounds like great opportunities for people like SC and snuff to flex some muscle.


Lol at us getting a mention again.

People seem to forget it takes some seconds for a DD to actually hit, so redock if your not kicked out.
Also you are then set in place for 30 seconds unable to move. Thats a nice and easy way to get 10 hics dropped on you, so your 2 falcons wont do **** I really hope you try though.