Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The map wasn't designed for jumps in the first place.

I would like to say I agree with CCP's vision of reducing the force projection of capitals/supercapitals, and I thank CCP Greyscale and his working group for listening to the critique from the player base.

Given that, I would still like to see a few things changed, mostly in the specifics of the equations used. I don't like the idea of fatigue being potentially more than a week. For those of us who use carriers as suitcases, this makes actually getting to a new deployment so we can have "gud fites" more difficult, and that's why we are in null sec. Perhaps convoys of ships going through selected gates will help alleviate this. Time will tell. But I suggest you keep an eye on that, and be willing to modify the equations or even put a hard cap on fatigue. If I could burn through my fatigue with my carrier, to get to a new deployment, and know that I wouldn't have to wait more than a week to do it again, that would ease my concerns. The goal is to stop force projection, not wholesale force movement.

As someone who loves his Blockade Runner, I am also glad to hear that industrial transport ships will be getting the 90% reduction in jump fatigue from use of jump bridges. However, I would like to propose something that I think would be better. Instead of putting jump fatigue on bridges, which I think just slows down the chance of good fights, put a jumps/minute limit on the bridges. This would stop large fleets from moving across the map easily, since the FC would constantly have to stop and wait for the JB's to cooldown before more people can come through, but small fleets could still go through together and get to the target for a fight. And, frankly, that's the whole point of null sec. We want to encourage small gang subcap fights/raids/roams, not inhibit them. Yes, the changes to portals and black ops are welcome, but they don't solve all the problems that jump fatigue on a bridge creates. Simply putting a delay on jump bridges would greatly solve any potential problems and remove the need for most fatigue calculations on portals.

No he's not, he specifically stated why, and it had nothing to do with "indie whiners"

You really should have read his post completely before posting such an uninformed comment as to the reasoning behind the change...

not trying to berate or demean you, I'm just pointing out what should be obvious to anyone who actually reads what greyscale wrote.

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Celly Smunt

The Rorq should get the 10LY range until it gets a revamp or nullsec does.

The dunking a few posts prior on the travel industrial is hilarious.

Not entirely. I can still think of ways to abuse this. For instance you can quickly project a very large sub capital fleet across a much wider expanse of the galaxy by using T1 freighters, Orcas or even DSTs. With the 90% fatigue, and considering you can do 6 jumps without any meaningful fatigue, that means you can very easily and quickly relocate a very large fleet in a radius of 30 light years. Much more than that if you start waiting out the cooldown.

With this system I can easily envision large entities setting up rapid response sub capital fleets such as these which can be once again projected to anywhere in the galaxy at very short notice.

my rorqual(s) is in station, warp or POS shields... I can't honestly think of a time that I've ever deployed the drones on either of them

^^this^^ and removing the drone bonus also helps negate the dreaded "BattleRorq"

True, but I still think that is a very rapid method of deploying ships to where they are needed. Whether it is too rapid or not depends on what exactly the aims of this rebalance are. Despite that, it is still a lot better than a fleet of capital ships turning up from half way across the map at a moments notice, and any defending force will likely have their own capital ships ready to defend against any such sub capital rapid deployment.

Oh look. A CFC member wants even more, imagine that.

I still think that what is needed is giving players the tools for force interdiction, not a sledgehammer to force projection. And I still think roaming carrier gangs will be the new meta (you're definitely never going to see a BS fleet unsupported by a carrier or ten), and the virtual obliteration of any distinction between cap and subcaps is going to be bad for the game. But these modifications have netted the changes a new rating of "Only Mostly Terrible." So... yay?

Industrials (t1 or otherwise) will likely be the local conveyance of choice through JBs (I have a funny picture of a fleet of indies backed by an Orca or two jumping from bridge to bridge to cut off a hostile fleet, swapping ships just before engaging), with Blockade Runners perhaps being used for mid-range shuttle service over inties. Long distance travel is still relegated to interceptors.

Anyone expecting nullsec to change from this, to become more dynamic, still doesn't get that the problem lies in the static nature of the space itself and a sov system that encourages players to maintain the status quo, not the capabilities of the ships. Aside from a short-term shakeup, nothing will change with this except for a demand for more alts. And any future attempts to break up null stagnation will similarly succeed or fail whether this change is made or not.