Player Features and Ideas Discussion

How? They are getting a range increase and a 50% reduction in fatigue. Suck it up. This is more reasonable than the original prolosal.

You only need Transport Ships IV to be able to carry a packaged battleship, which takes 50km3, plus 10km3 room to spare for modules and ammo.

Your concern is quite pointless, as travel fit interceptors are already perfect and unstoppable shuttles already, besting every industrial in game by the virtues of being able to insta-align, having the best warp speed in game and at the same time, nullified.

I doubt interceptors are as fast as going through the jump bridge network with a 90% fatigue reduction, even faster if you use a cloaked transport ship. Plus you can smart bomb a fleet of interceptors at the gate.

Also, you can carry everything you need with you to refit at the destination given that you can take a freighter or hauler full of ships including fittings.

The issue that everyone was adamant to complain about has always been capital projection. You are pretending as if subcaps were at the source of the problem, and acting surprised on top of that. Have you been missing the player reaction posts which are pointing out that how supers getting dropped on their cruiser gangs etc. is horribly broken?

Did you miss the Dev post that says they want subcaps to have the same limitations and that its by design and on purpose?


I bet you did.

You do realize that If null in general, severed the links and burned the bridges to the empire, barring the stocks, T2 production would wither overnight at the empire? You are ignoring certain inter-dependencies that would impede production everywhere and acting as if market stability could be achieved through having highly fragmented and isolated regional markets.

Logistics are already extremely painful in the null, even without this set of dev blogs Greyscale came up with. That's another problem with your stance on the discussion: You are acting as if it has been the opposite, as if null logistics wasn't a high effort, cost prohibitive endeavor. You do realize that in null, we cannot simply have freighter pilots flying around our good and materials for peanuts for minimal risk as long as they restrict their cargo values below 1B, right?

Why don't you try to live in any region in null for an extended period? I sincerely believe it would change your outlook.

Why exactly do haulers need 90% fatigue reduction anyway? Surely at something like 50% logistics would still work fine, albeit a little slower, and would remove any chance for edge cases and unforeseen consequences.

All of the U turns seems to be very heavy handed, when all that was really needed was just slight adjustments from the original proposal.

Here's some math for you:

Right now people travel via jump bridges because they are the fastest most efficient way to move around their empire. This change would have added choice to that, they wouldn't have been the fastest but they'd been the safest.

Now, 30 minutes of skill training puts bridges right back as the best possible means of travel.

You have zero need of math to see that a ship that has to take gates, even a fast aligning frigate thats bubble immune, is slower than a pos that shoots you across a region and lands you in the lowsec outgate system.

Actually, I do. :sun:

Okay, so it turns out the math is pretty easy if you have the power of GTS.



So to standardize the route (and keep it firmly in grr goons territory) we are going to use YA0 to F2O as our route. It covers a pretty good portion of the map.

CONTESTANT ONE: THE CRUSADER

Here's the route a crusader takes. Note that it might be a slightly larger number of gates due to GTS's feature for optimizing for warp distance at the cost of using more gates.

http://i.imgur.com/ahBf9Iq.png

Down at the bottom we see it's 49 jumps, taking 30 minutes. Note that GTS does not allow you to use implants or rigs to increase your warp speed, so this is a bog-standard, unfit interceptor.

CONTESTANT TWO: THE TRAVEL FIT WREATHE

Now, using our jump bridge network, a wreathe spends 16 minutes warping, but it has to take NINE jump bridges. Since you can't "blitz" this (the maximum number of jumps you can perform is six before your fatigue starts making your cooldown longer than five minutes,) this means that you spend a minimum of 45 minutes waiting for your fatigue to wear off. This means the wreathes take 1 hour to complete the same route.

I dunno about you, but I'll take half the time and immune to bubbles any day.