Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You know Null has about 10* the Mex of highsec right? The 'increase in trit' was not an increase in Trit. it was an increase in the general value of the ABC ores & Spod. As Spod was a joke and the ABC ores were too vulnerable to high end price fluctuations while with the new range of ores they will always have a moderate value relative to other ores.

What you don't have is the miners because you have spent years treating them as second class citizens, organising LOL attacks on them while they are in high sec, and organising corp thefts and ganks on them when you invite them to join you in Null sec.

The Ore is out there in Null sec in massive quantities, you just have to actually get hold of it.

The yield per rock is better than the yield in high sec. You get a higher proportion of 5 & 10% ores, and you get slightly more ore per rock, as well as larger belts with more rocks in them.
There is not a lack of Mex in Null. There is a lack of people mining it in Null relative to consumption. So either mine more, consume less, or just work out how to keep importing.

My stance on this topic is not that there is a lack of mex rocks in null. More rocks doesn't solve the issue. The rocks need to yield more when mined.

To give you an example. I have been building battleship hulls for my own personal use. a Domi hull uses ~700k units of mex.

In the last 5 days I have been farming mex rocks. That was the only mineral holding back my production. It took 12 hours to get enough mex for 2 domis, and I already had all the other minerals in stock. So I spent 12 hours farming mex. This was with decent but not max boosts, using two hulks, one rorq and a hauler.

Though not a horribly huge amount of time. It was all i was able to do. I could easily just go rat for a couple hours and just buy the domi hulls. But that isn't going to fix anything.

Me personally. All I am hoping for is a slight boost to the amount of mex yielded by the existing rocks. If you actually farmed mex in null you would realize that it is a major bottle neck.

An no this is not tears. I am advocating a stance that I think would be beneficial to the game. With the upcoming changes, I feel this change should be considered. If it doesn't happen... Oh well. It's not like I lost anything. It just the same as it always was. Many of the arguments made in this thread seem to ignore the upcoming back, or have this misguided idea that null is not suppose to be self sufficient. Highsec also seems to be irrelevant. I dont mine there personally. I hardly spend any time there except to buy new BPOs.

I think if you spent a few months in null, you would understand why people are advocating for a change of this nature.

Nullsec mining while surrounded by blue gudbros is not difficult. If a neutral or a red even gets close to your system there should be calls of ample warning from your neighbor blues in intel channels. If you are not getting *at least* communication from your alliance mates, then get a new alliance.

I think you misunderstand my argument on the topic. If this happens, it would be great but if it doesnt, then that is fine as well. I personally feel the yield is low.

As for null being self sufficient. I personally feel that the patch itself is a hint from CCP that they want null space to be able to support itself to some extent. I feel mex is a basic building block for tech 1 and with the approach of the patch that it would seem logical for this to be increased in yield to match what will be an increase in production as more and more conflict breaks out.

Like I said. This is just my personal view. I think it seems logical with the upcoming back. If the patch wasn't coming I wouldnt be advocating my stance.

Also your attempts at name calling seem awfully childish. How bout we drop those, as if you had read any of my previous posts you would see they are false.

I had always assumed that if the yield of mex went up, it would be game wide and not just in null. Dont think I ever implied otherwise.

And there is only so much I can do with my setup. Not all my toons have the skill points to fly the most efficient ships yet. I cant really help that. Only time can.

Or just mine your static belts.
The Industrial anoms do not need changing, ABC & Spod do not need changing.