Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Wai, wai, wait, you mean there is more to this game than my own two ignorant eyes can see and there may be further implications to the changes I want to my own gameplay?

Please explain how to make isk from PVP worthwhile without leaving it open to exploitation.

See:bounty hunting

In addition to this, I've noticed that a lot of the F&I threads are extremely selfish. People seem to keep asking for changes to be made to the game that will make life easier for them without taking into consideration how much more difficult those same changes will make the game for someone else. They think their idea will balance the game out, when in fact it would do the complete opposite.

Any newer pilot flying a nereus with multi-stabs through losec for a start. It really isn't a problem with WCS, any problem you have is with FW mechanics and you don't change a module that is currently perfectly well balanced to fix a game mechanic in a niche area.

What T1 frig can warp out in half a second with low slots full of stabs?

My multi-stabbed (more than 3) nereus got me through many gatecamps where several guys trid to scram/disrupt me and got me through because I planned for that event and fit my ship accordingly. My fit defeated theirs for the purpose of me making losec runs. Your proposal would go a long way to making t2 haulers mandatory for any losec indy/PI activity and therefore push unecessary additonal training onto new players before they could go try such things.



You are asking for adjustments to an already perfectly fine module to allow you to get easier kills solo. Clearly the guy wasn't totally AFK as he warped out. Bring a friend with more scram or apply more DPS with a different ship. I change my fits all the time for various pruposes to achieve my goals, why should you not have to do the same?

Ed: How do you know the guy wasn't sat at the keyboard laughing at you as he waited just for the right moment to warp out?

Isnt the most popular mechanic of sitting somewhere, Doing nothing, and occasionally checking the screen also known as mining? Not just Deplexing?

New Requirement you must kill all the rats in the belt to activate strip miners, and they will cut half cycle if a new rat spawns, even the ones that spawn 120km+ away

That will sound familiar but...read my first post (again). There are two quotes, and the second guy was studying away from his computer while he heard the alarm (set at 99% shield) so he reopened Eve with his ship in low armor, hit warp and that was it.

I change my fits too, stop thinking i am just being too lazy to do that (i am already roaming, so if i was lazy i would stay in a single system all the time), but as said earlier, some ships don't have enough mids (some frigates have only 2), and sometimes you just can't change a fit for various reasons (no modules, no stations, no cargo space...). Hence my idea of limiting the numbers to 3.

What I read in some posts is quite surprising. Some guys seem to find normal to make money in an empty hull while being AFK. It is as if it was possible to mine AFK without mining lasers, or mission in an empty battleship hull and being AFK. Wake up people, that's not how it is supposed to be!

So yes, the debate now has switched on "deplexing need to be fixed" (not offensive plexing since it has some NPC to be fought), and I agree that this would help if CCP fixed it. But where the WCS comes into is that it would prevent more than half of the player that feel safe doing afk farming in lowsec (we are not in empire!) since they would have to be fit for PVP. Therefore bringing more content, a little bit more challenge and less bots farming.



1. People are lazy. If you do things that force to be less lazy, a lot will not follow. That's the whole idea. Much less trial account that just farm for 3 weeks too, and those don't even make money for CCP so there are no reasons to keep them in. That actually gives another idea: you can't fit WCS with trial account. Could be an alternative to some of the proposal made before.

2. Only freigthers have low fitting capabilities, and freighter can only have a fit since a few months, so that's not something that was an issue before. Even a velator can fit a bunch and still have the rest of the fit.

3. Less than 1% of Eve players does pvp with WCS. This is just an invalid argument, sorry. And I am not making it up, it's a fact.

4. True, but that doesn't mean it can't be fixed. I believe there is a difference between something that makes you slightly better at creating content (pvp, mission, ...) than being able of doing nothing.

5. Then you have never done FW pvp. Because the only people that do it here reacted and said it was. All the people that are actively involved in the militia have PVP fits and totally agree that stabs and even cloak should be forbidden in plexes

6. As it was discussed earlier. infini point only works on HIC, that can go into Medium and Large plexes only. The vast majority of AFK farmers are in frigates, making it unapplicable.

1. Yes people are lazy. Such as those that do not wish to fit their ships, to counter WCS.

2. Freighters are irrelevant, in regards to WCS.

3. Citation needed.

4. There is nothing to fix.

5. It's not a problem, because there are already counters available.

6. There are counters to WCS, but you seem unwilling to use them.

So as pointed out already, you want gauranteed fights. Whats the problem if you say yourself that maybe the next day you have more luck? Fitting stabs gives a huge penalty and basically f*s up the ship, yet dispite that penalty you want an easy time catching those fitted ships. If you want gauranteed fights and predictable opponents then you have to play PvE. Just fit an extra scram and your problem is solved.