EVE General Discussion

I'm new to eve but one thing I noticed, if you take two frigates you can easy destroys a bs, which brings me a question, why train for large ships if small has a large advantage over them? even more in the case of ships that use missiles because whit just a few more m/s you already cancels more than 50% damage, if not more. i not surpise if a frigate alone can destroy one bs even if it takes time.as I am new to eve may be i having a wrong view of the matter ,and if someone can explain to me why to train for bigger ships I thank.

I would say that if you don't plan to fly those ships, than it's a waste of time.

Why bigger ships? Do you like them? Do you like PvP in them? Doing LvL 4 misions? Cap warfare?

I don't know what you like, I like frigates and battleships most. So I trained for them and I fly them, mostly Caldari and Amarr.

Bigger doesn't mean that it's better or worse - it means it has a different purpose.

E.g. if I want to neutralize the cap of a carrier then a bunch of neut frigs wont be able to do it - a few Bhaalgorns (pirate BS with bonus to energy neutralization) however can.
When I want to grind level 4 missions a frigate doesn't really have the firepower to do it.
There are many different situations where you would want to use a BS.

Oh, and some BS can absolutely kill frigs. E.g an Armageddon will tear most frigates a new one.

I would much rather use them but my fellow corp out on double and then destroy one or two BS's without much effort is why I got the doubt ,if it would be interesting to have a bs to come two frigate and knock me down I would feel upset if that happened to me, but maybe what I need is to play more to understand more of the game.thanks for the reply

Two frigates can't "easily" destroy a battleship, i can assure you. Normally two frigates wouldn't do enough damage to break through a battleship sized active tank.
What frigates can do is hold the battleship in space for the bigger guns to arrive, with the battleship's big guns not being able to hit them, unless it's a drone battleship in which case things may get a bit hairy for the frigate pilots.

Quote for truth.

A lot of players seem to be stuck in a 'single player' mindset where their own ship is selected for purely individualistic reasons. This is not the most optimal way to select the best ship for a job, however, in EVE; You have to look at three key things before heading out in any vessel.

1) What are the other people in my fleet flying?

2) What role can I play that would best complement the others in my fleet?

3) What is the risk/reward ratio for the activity at hand, and how much ISK-value of ship am I willing to risk for it?


For battleships, you never want to go solo- Apply the first of my three points. Additionally ask yourself questions like: Does your fleet have the appropriate logi for your battleship's tank type? Are any of your fleet mates running battleships? Battleships are useful tools in certain situations... But like most ships, will not excel unless used in a fleet properly prepared to field them. If you find yourself in a fleet consisting mostly of smaller ships, or if your fleet is too small to properly support a battleship, you may consider increasing your efficiency by selecting a smaller hull that is better suited to the job.

One thing is for sure, training for anything bigger than a battlecruiser as a new player is probably a waste of time.
The bigger the ship is, the bigger is the effect that skills and better modules have.
So, a T2 fit frigates is not that much better than a T1/meta fit frigate, especially if you count in ISK efficency.
A T2 battleship with proper support skills will easily mop the floor with any beginner battleship though and while properly skilled, fitted and flown battleships can easily farm ISK in lvl 4 missions, a beginner in a battleship will most likely lose his ship in a lvl 4 mission or will have to tank it so hard that he needs an hour or more per mission.

Big is beautiful...

Frigates and battleships have different roles.

Frigate is tackle and support, cruiser is dps and support, battleship is tank and dps at expense of mobility.

Having said that, these roles are very fuzzy at best, and with proper fitting you can assign pretty much any role to any class of ship

Battleships certainly can be fitted to kill frigates. A scram and a web mean any frig that comes closer then 10 dies. A heavy neut means any frig within 30km will cap out and be disabled in seconds. A target painter and rapid missile lauchers will absolutely maul most frigates. And a micro jump drive means that you can simply escape from any long point with ease.

So yes battleships do have some disadvantage vs frigates, but certain platforms property fit are frigate murderers.

And higher-end money-making PvE stuff requires you have dps and tank of a battleship.

Well worth training.

I´ve never regretted training Minmatar Battleship up to V and I am in the process of funneling SP into other racial BS skills up to level IV at least. For PVE Battleships are simply beast. Any solo ship can be countered by something a class below it and BS are simply no exception to this rule.

As a rule of thumb, ships perform the best against targets their own size unless specifically fitted to handle bigger or smaller targets. Exceptions exist, see the Stealth Bomber. Say you choose to fit tracking modules in order to hit smaller targets. This will take up space in your fitting that could have been used for tank. But since you are shooting at small low-DPS targets, your damage application is more important then your tank. So you sacrifice a few defensive stats for offensive ones against specific targets: specialization.