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Velicitia

XS Tech

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#181 - 2011-12-13 05:03:10 UTC

Vernn wrote:

Velicitia wrote:

Vernn wrote:

Ladie Harlot wrote:

Vernn wrote:

I CAN GO ANYWHERE AND DO ANYTHING AND THEY CAN KEEP DOING WHAT THEY ARE DOING? Anywhere I go except a station. Anywhere in space they can do it.

Mining ice in Caldari, Minmatar, and Amarr space is currently legal. Go forth and mine ice to your heart's content.

Or else you'll come get me in your.................................

kestrel

Game of the year right here people!

TBH, a kestrel shoul Shocked

... wait, you're not mining in a completely un-tanked retriever are you? Lol

Retriever. I crunched the numbers. Wouldn't matter what I put on it. I'd be toast.

I apologise in advance to anyone who knows how to fit ships. Fits are from EFT using an "all 5" pilot.

Well assuming they're really in a kestrel:

[Kestrel, lolfit]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]

Standard Missile Launcher II, Sabretooth Fury Light Missile
Standard Missile Launcher II, Sabretooth Fury Light Missile
Standard Missile Launcher II, Sabretooth Fury Light Missile
Standard Missile Launcher II, Sabretooth Fury Light Missile

Small Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I
Small Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I
[empty rig slot]

this fit does 124 DPS. has 1500 EHP

Taking this (terribad) fit for a Retriever:
[Retriever, lol]
Shield Power Relay II
Co-Processor II

Medium Shield Extender II

Ice Harvester I
Ice Harvester I

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I

Hobgoblin II x5

you're sitting with 2071 shield HP with 30/20/40/50 EM/THERM/KIN/EX resists. EHP is about 5500. You can dish out ~100DPS.

it'll take the Kestrel about 45 seconds to kill you. You'll take 15 to kill him. Or you can let CONCORD show after ~30 sec. Pretty sure you won this round.

Disclaimer -- retrievers have practically zero tank. They won't withstand anything bigger than a frig, so if you see a dessie or bigger coming in on D-scan, GTFO.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia

First Lieutenant Dan

Doomheim

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#182 - 2011-12-13 05:03:16 UTC

Hicksimus wrote:

I think you make the same mistake that many people do with EvE. You want it to be a game that it is not. It certainly has the potential to offer an amazing, diverse and dynamic PvE, mining and exploration system but you need to remember one very important fact. It is an MMO. The people at CCP have used PvP as their carrot on a stick and made missions and mining a means to an end. It also has the trademark MMO feature of having many details to support a huge number of players but all of the details are watered down. Examples being ships or solar systems. There are many ships and many solar systems but nearly every single one of them lacks the wow factor because it would be an incredible amount of work to do otherwise.

Now I'll get you to your exact issue. The people at CCP have provided the players of EvE with1 dynamic, intense and interesting feature, it is PvP. There are no cool space things to see or do (you warp to a mission/combat site/belt/station/outpost once and you are unlikely to find anything new or entertaining the second time) and as a result of game mechanics extremely powerful combat ships can be had by almost any player. This leads right into your situation in which somebody can get 10x as much entertainment value using a 40mil combat ship to blow up your 200mil indy ship than they can by flying to a random system which reminds them of all the other systems they went through on their way there.

I'm on both sides of this issue. I certainly believe it is griefing and lame BUT I also believe it is working as intended and that if you want a more detailed space game you should play something like Nexus: The Jupiter incident or X3. Due to the trends of MMO's EvE will never provide that amazing spaceship experience that you get in single or small multi player games, but perhaps you should try the small/large gang side of EvE PvP with a side of PvE for funds. PvP is what EvE does that those single and small multi player games cannot do. PvE is a necessity for EvE funds and requires more attention than mining but at least you won't be getting ganked while competing with an army of mining bots and since you are in highsec reprocessing mission loot will get you more ore anyway!

Writes large essay = receives small response Cry

Jaroslav Unwanted

Brutor Tribe

Minmatar Republic

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#183 - 2011-12-13 05:03:18 UTC | Edited by: Jaroslav Unwanted

Vernn wrote:

Zions Child wrote:

Vernn wrote:

So they have complete power over me to stop me from mining blue ice in highsec and all they had to risk to do that was.....................................................................

kestrels

Yep. You know why? Because there are thousands of people like you, people who refuse to adapt. If you aren't going to adapt, then you deserve everything you get.

Also, holyshitninepages.

Adapt? I would love to adapt. Put some way into the game for me to armor and arm my mining barge. Make the skills take two months even if you want. Then I will adapt.

There is no adaptation in the game that will satisfy this situation. If I want to mine blue ice how am I to adapt exactly?

heh remote shield/armor extenders Big smile

hulk +30 ships specialized on remote shield/armor extending... = hulk with 1,2 mil ehp Big smile

That would make it slightly more interesting.

Vernn

Winnguard

Likes received: 31

#184 - 2011-12-13 05:03:38 UTC

Roosterton wrote:

Quote:

Not skills.
Not creativity.
Not teamwork.
Not hauling.
Not selling.
Not buying.

Skills are needed to know where ice belt systems are, and to be able to fit up a proper ship.

Teamwork is needed, as one person often scans down a target/takes the loot while another does the gank. Alternatively, multiple gankers might work together to kill a more well-tanked target.

Hauling is needed because, if the miner drops tasty loot, they need a hauler to move it.

Selling is needed because they run a profit when people buy their ice/miner loot.

Buying is done to replace their gank ship and do it again.

How much more wrong can you be?

Its been clearly established they aren't doing it for loot so that pretty much knocks out your argument. If that was the reason then they should be suicide ganking everyone. Not just ice miners.

Tippia

Sunshine and Lollipops

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#185 - 2011-12-13 05:03:38 UTC | Edited by: Tippia

Vernn wrote:

How is the problem with that not glaringly obvious?

Because it only exists in your head, and only you can see your hallucinations.

Quote:

Its been clearly established they aren't doing it for loot so that pretty much knocks out your argument. If that was the reason then they should be suicide ganking everyone. Not just ice miners.

The problem is that the actual reason they're doing it requires massive amounts of what you've listed, so it's actually in your interest to claim that they're just doing it for the loot.

Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 47
Daemon Angel Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic Likes received: 47	#186 - 2011-12-13 05:03:51 UTC Vernn wrote: Well, my return to eve will be short then. The door is ----> that way


Vernn Winnguard Likes received: 31	#187 - 2011-12-13 05:04:35 UTC Tippia wrote: Vernn wrote: How is the problem with that not glaringly obvious? Because it only exists in your head, and only you can see your hallucinations. Make a counter point please. Childish quips get us no where.

Viziam Amarr Empire 2,561
Ladie Harlot Viziam Amarr Empire Likes received: 2,561	#188 - 2011-12-13 05:05:15 UTC \| Edited by: Ladie Harlot Vernn wrote: If I want to mine blue ice how am I to adapt exactly? I already told you. You simply have to purchase a license from any of the Goonswarm Federation members you see in local. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.


First Lieutenant Dan Doomheim Likes received: 64	#189 - 2011-12-13 05:05:56 UTC \| Edited by: First Lieutenant Dan I'll leve you guys to it. I'm going on a long walk to the drugstore MOTHERFUCK THIS EMOTICON CAN NOT EXPRESS MY EMOTIONS ** YOU SHOVEL. ** YOU BLENDER! Edit: HAPPIER NOW MOTHERFUCK IS UNCENSORED FTW

Vernn

Winnguard

Likes received: 31

#190 - 2011-12-13 05:06:12 UTC

Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:

Vernn wrote:

Zions Child wrote:

Vernn wrote:

So they have complete power over me to stop me from mining blue ice in highsec and all they had to risk to do that was.....................................................................

kestrels

Yep. You know why? Because there are thousands of people like you, people who refuse to adapt. If you aren't going to adapt, then you deserve everything you get.

Also, holyshitninepages.

heh remote shield/armor extenders Big smile

hulk +30 ships specialized on remote shield/armor extending... = hulk with 1,2 mil ehp Big smile

That would make it slightly more interesting.

So I can put more of my money and time on the line versus their risk of losing their...........................

kestrel

Besides, you aren't going to save a retriever against a gank. Not gunna happen unless you got 10 ships boosting you.


Velicitia XS Tech Likes received: 2,802	#191 - 2011-12-13 05:07:28 UTC funny, my retriever survived the mock encounter with a Kestrel... One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia


Vernn Winnguard Likes received: 31	#192 - 2011-12-13 05:07:48 UTC Ladie Harlot wrote: Vernn wrote: If I want to mine blue ice how am I to adapt exactly? I already told you. You simply have to purchase a license from any of the Goonswarm Federation members you see in local. Only if the license is the cost of one kestrel.


Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops Likes received: 27,526	#193 - 2011-12-13 05:07:58 UTC 1 Vernn wrote: Make a counter point please. I already have. Everyone has. You have so far been utterly unable to respond to any of it. You just keep repeating the same disproven and completely fantastical nonsense over and over without actually saying anything useful.

Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 363
Roosterton Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic Likes received: 363	#194 - 2011-12-13 05:08:32 UTC I'm fairly certain you're trolling now. Nobody is this stupid.

Velicitia

XS Tech

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#195 - 2011-12-13 05:08:45 UTC

Tippia wrote:

Vernn wrote:

Make a counter point please.

I already have. Everyone has. You have so far been utterly unable to respond to any of it. You just keep repeating the same disproven and completely fantastical nonsense over and over without actually saying anything useful.

o_O

did someone forget to lock the doors to CAOD again?

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia


Ladie Harlot Viziam Amarr Empire Likes received: 2,561	#196 - 2011-12-13 05:09:01 UTC Very few of the interdiction incidents involve a kestrel. Most people trying to illegally mine blue ice use hulks fit with a hefty tank. Why you continue to use such a bad ship for ice mining is anybody's guess. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.

Vernn

Winnguard

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#197 - 2011-12-13 05:10:00 UTC

Tippia wrote:

Vernn wrote:

Make a counter point please.

Unable to respond? I have made many logical arguments.

The prime one that I keep making that you have yet to acknowledge is that the thing they have to risk to gain all this power is a.........................................

kestrel

Tippia

Sunshine and Lollipops

Likes received: 27,526

#198 - 2011-12-13 05:10:04 UTC | Edited by: Tippia

Velicitia wrote:

o_O

did someone forget to lock the doors to CAOD again?

Well, he's in an NPC corp, but that would explain a hell of a lot, wouldn't it… What?

Vernn wrote:

Unable to respond? I have made many logical arguments.

No, you've made a lot of nonsensical and counterfactual noise about Kestrels — stuff that is instantly proven as untrue and only a result of your over-active imagination. You haven't actually responded to anything anyone has told you in this thread, as your further repetition of your Kestrel fetish shows.

Jaroslav Unwanted

Brutor Tribe

Minmatar Republic

Likes received: 1,380

#199 - 2011-12-13 05:10:39 UTC | Edited by: Jaroslav Unwanted

Vernn wrote:

Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:

Vernn wrote:

Zions Child wrote:

Vernn wrote:

So they have complete power over me to stop me from mining blue ice in highsec and all they had to risk to do that was.....................................................................

kestrels

Yep. You know why? Because there are thousands of people like you, people who refuse to adapt. If you aren't going to adapt, then you deserve everything you get.

Also, holyshitninepages.

heh remote shield/armor extenders Big smile

hulk +30 ships specialized on remote shield/armor extending... = hulk with 1,2 mil ehp Big smile

That would make it slightly more interesting.

well mechanics/new ships and modules I described are not in game, and they wont be implemented since it would totally destroy any semblence of logistic ships....

And no you cant defened effectively against suicide ganking... unless you stay docked...
You simply cant, even full tanked hulk will get destroyed, freighters are suicide ganked too ... there is just not a think you can do..
Just fasten your seat-belts, party begins.


Vernn Winnguard Likes received: 31	#200 - 2011-12-13 05:10:49 UTC Velicitia wrote: funny, my retriever survived the mock encounter with a Kestrel... Ok go mine some blue ice and report back.

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Brutor Tribe

Minmatar Republic

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Amarr Empire

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Minmatar Republic