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The Prospect and Low-Sec Mining
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Josef Djugashvilis
#41 - 2014-10-08 19:07:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Josef Djugashvilis
Trixie Lawless wrote:
Torneach Structor wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
Dear 0wl,

Please consider adding proper paragraphs for ease of readability.

Ever read a book?

Those were proper paragraphs in the OP.


She....
Probably has......
....read books....
But....
They were all......
....like....this.....


Where they by Jeffrey Archer ?

This is not a signature.
Dave Stark
#42 - 2014-10-08 19:13:40 UTC
MsArj wrote:
Prospect should get some benefit, or atleast it should be worthwhile.

Done just the same as the OP and it feels kinda gimped.


that's probably because you can't give a cov-ops frigate the yield of a hulk and expect it to be balanced.
Trixie Lawless
State War Academy
Caldari State
#43 - 2014-10-08 19:50:08 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Trixie Lawless wrote:
Torneach Structor wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
Dear 0wl,

Please consider adding proper paragraphs for ease of readability.

Ever read a book?

Those were proper paragraphs in the OP.


She....
Probably has......
....read books....
But....
They were all......
....like....this.....


Where they by Jeffrey Archer ?


Captain Kirk I think.
MsArj
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2014-10-08 20:13:46 UTC
Why does everyone yell out and compare the prospect with a Hulk?
Like the OP is telling about a experience in eve thats totally true, it feels lackluster, like why bother taking the prospect to low when you feel the same "profit" in high....

Its NOT about giving the prospect the same efficiency as Hulk but giving it a buff, so it actually feels like its worthwhile diving threw hostile space to get something done.

Giving miners a chance to experience low/null in a miner hull should be something everything wants, more targets, more fun for all parts and in the end, everyones happy!
Torneach Structor
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#45 - 2014-10-08 21:55:09 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
Torneach Structor wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
Dear 0wl,

Please consider adding proper paragraphs for ease of readability.

Ever read a book?

Those were proper paragraphs in the OP.

No, they weren't.
Screen != Book.

Not even remotely comparable, superficial scrub.

Writing is writing, no matter what medium is used.
Celthric Kanerian
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#46 - 2014-10-08 22:14:21 UTC
My biggest turnoff with mining was when they changed the sound of my mining lasers.
Nevil Oscillator
#47 - 2014-10-08 22:28:31 UTC
I think the economic fact is that someone somewhere is able to mine high price minerals for the price they are.

I can't

Does that mean the price must go up or they need to be easier to mine ?

No,
Solecist Project
#48 - 2014-10-08 22:56:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
Torneach Structor wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
Torneach Structor wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
Dear 0wl,

Please consider adding proper paragraphs for ease of readability.

Ever read a book?

Those were proper paragraphs in the OP.

No, they weren't.
Screen != Book.

Not even remotely comparable, superficial scrub.

Writing is writing, no matter what medium is used.

Except that I am talking about the reading part ...
... and you don't really understand what I am talking about anyway ................
....... so I apologise for assuming you'd know. :)


*spreads sparkles of wisdom and knowledge above your head* (:

Maybe a pink shtick to? :D
That would suit you sooooo weeeeelllll..... :D



Anyhow... lowsec mining.

If that's really so dangerous as people wanna make it look like ...
... I should give it a try. Somehow I doubt that there's much danger behind it ...
... as long as attention is being paid. ^_^

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Solecist Project
#49 - 2014-10-08 23:01:15 UTC
Celthric Kanerian wrote:
My biggest turnoff with mining was when they changed the sound of my mining lasers.

I mined two times ... three times actually in my five years of playing.

The best part was definitely the sound of the mining laser.

It was mesmerising ..................


.............bbzzzzrrrrrreeeeooooowwwww...........
(doesn't sound right with my squeeky voice :/)

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Nevil Oscillator
#50 - 2014-10-08 23:09:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Nevil Oscillator
Solecist Project wrote:

I mined two times ... three times actually in my five years of playing.
/i]



If a mineral gets easier to mine then the price might go down, thus your ore becomes of less value.

Theoretically Low sec minerals should be more profitable but there could be all kinds of reasons why they aren't.

Maybe these high price minerals are really just pyrite.
ElSuerte Diego
Los Perros Hermanos
#51 - 2014-10-09 01:07:01 UTC
Zimmy Zeta wrote:

An easy start would be to improve the NPC stations in low and add laboratories/manufacturing lines to most of them. If manufacturing was more feasible in low, mining in the same system would be much more interesting.

They took out slots in Crius.

I'm part way through the process of moving my production and research from a 0.5 system to a 0.3 in order to take advantage of the lower system index. I've already got an intensive refining array set up in low sec, so it makes sense to drop the minerals off into a low sec station, rather then hauling it back to a high sec station.

It doesn't solve the problem of mining in low sec. The last time I ran the numbers, it was cheaper to get isogen and zydrine by trading for them at Jita with high sec ores because I'd lose too many ships and I couldn't get an equivalent yield per hour. That was pre Prospect though.
Creamdream
Whatever Brah
#52 - 2014-10-09 01:49:42 UTC
0wl wrote:
Too some degree, I'm a masochist. I Enjoy mining. What I don't like is afk mining, it's boring, uneventful and not fun, apart from the odd laugh you get when someones untanked Mackinaw gets ganked next to you. Recently I aquired the skills to pilot a Prospect as a little side project to have a go at mining anomalies with in low sec, great I thought, tasty Crokite and Orche to be had!

The actual gameplay is enjoyable, mining, avoiding rats, gate camps and pirates, awesome! It feels like I'm risking something and its engaging ... Then you get your yield ... oh, well that's disappointing I thought ... this **** isn't even worth the risk, I might aswell afk mine in high sec with a Procurer for the same profit. The gameplay is there, but the numbers are wrong in my opinion, this is a bit sad, because its back to high sec mining I go ... I think the basic problem is the yields that come from the more valuable ores, it may be more valuable, but you just get a lot less of it for the size. But still, it's enjoyable to some degree.


Go back to school. You need to work on your IQ.
Mycool Jahksn
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#53 - 2014-10-09 10:44:27 UTC
I've said it once and I'll say it again. To make lowsec a wild west boomtown in a matter of seconds you need to put a mineral there that only exists there.

Remove 95% of Nocxium or better yet, Mexallon, from asteroids and spawn roids in lowsec that contain tons of nocxium or mexallon and I cannot stress this enough; tons.

This would make lowsec a risk / reward worthy place worth visiting.

My interests include but are not limited to throwing rocks at bee hives.

There are more stars in the universe than all of the grains of sand on earth.
Solecist Project
#54 - 2014-10-09 10:51:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
Mycool Jahksn wrote:
I've said it once and I'll say it again. To make lowsec a wild west boomtown in a matter of seconds you need to put a mineral there that only exists there.

Remove 95% of Nocxium or better yet, Mexallon, from asteroids and spawn roids in lowsec that contain tons of nocxium or mexallon and I cannot stress this enough; tons.

This would make lowsec a risk / reward worthy place worth visiting.
And who will farm it?
The pirates who live there.

And they *will* defend it.

Your idea doesn't really work,
but I'm sure they'd love to have it implemented.


Sometimes I think people do not realise that anyone can do anything in this game
and that pirates aren't stuck at being pirates ...
... like miners who seem to be stuck at being miners ...
... but also can have mining alts.


Reminds me of the stupid argument of "who will mine for you 'PvPers' when we miners leave the game?" ...
... and the correction answer is, of course: Our alts.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Mycool Jahksn
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#55 - 2014-10-09 10:53:48 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
Mycool Jahksn wrote:
I've said it once and I'll say it again. To make lowsec a wild west boomtown in a matter of seconds you need to put a mineral there that only exists there.

Remove 95% of Nocxium or better yet, Mexallon, from asteroids and spawn roids in lowsec that contain tons of nocxium or mexallon and I cannot stress this enough; tons.

This would make lowsec a risk / reward worthy place worth visiting.
And who will farm it?
The pirates who live there.

And they *will* defend it.

Your idea doesn't really work,
but I'm sure they'd love to have it implemented.


Sometimes I think people do not realise that anyone can do anything in this game
and that pirates aren't stuck at being pirates ...
... like miners who seem to be stuck at being miners ...
... but also can have mining alts.


Reminds me of the stupid argument of "who will mine for you 'PvPers' when we miners leave the game?" ...
... and the correction answer is, of course: Our alts.


Why are you so anti social? An argument isn't stupid just because you don't agree with it. Your alts could never keep up with the massive mineral flow that carebears bring in.

Anyway, of course but it would also bring risk taking high sec dudes into low sec. You are already in low sec, high sec carebears are not because it's not worth it.

My interests include but are not limited to throwing rocks at bee hives.

There are more stars in the universe than all of the grains of sand on earth.
Solecist Project
#56 - 2014-10-09 11:03:40 UTC
I call it stupid, because it's stupid. It shows that the person hasn't though it through at all.

Furthermore, it will not bring carebears to lowsec ...
... because carebears do not want to go to lowsec.

It will rather bring all the big entities to lowsec ...
... because it allows them to bank in bigtime and have more control ...
... and make the smaller pirate entities defend every belt they can.

No amount of "buffing lowsec" ever changed the fact that carebears are carebears.


Your idea does not work as you think it would.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Mycool Jahksn
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#57 - 2014-10-09 11:06:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Mycool Jahksn
Solecist Project wrote:
I call it stupid, because it's stupid. It shows that the person hasn't though it through at all.

Furthermore, it will not bring carebears to lowsec ...
... because carebears do not want to go to lowsec.

It will rather bring all the big entities to lowsec ...
... because it allows them to bank in bigtime and have more control ...
... and make the smaller pirate entities defend every belt they can.

No amount of "buffing lowsec" ever changed the fact that carebears are carebears.


Your idea does not work as you think it would.


And it does not because you say so? Lol.

You should start off by reading the OP.

My interests include but are not limited to throwing rocks at bee hives.

There are more stars in the universe than all of the grains of sand on earth.
Solecist Project
#58 - 2014-10-09 11:10:15 UTC
Mycool Jahksn wrote:
And it does not because you say so? Lol.

You should start off by reading the OP.
And you think your idea would work because you say so? Roll

No ... it does not work, because it's disconnected from actual reality.

It does not work, because it completely leaves out the fact that carebears ...
... do not go to lowsec, because they can lose their ships ...
... and can not mine afk there without definitely losing them.

It also ignores the fact that giving lowsec a unique mineral ...
... will make all the people who live there already ...
... defend it as much as they can.

People will lock down access from highsec to lowsec everywhere.

Carebears will just whine even more ...
... because they can not access this mineral.


It's not me who is anti-social here.
It's you who simply refuses to accept
that his idea will not work the way it's thought out.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Solecist Project
#59 - 2014-10-09 11:11:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
But hey, in case you still refuse to accept actual reality ...
... please elaborate on WHY you believe it would work the way you think it would.

And of course HOW it would work out.

Because that part now misses,
after my short explanation why it won't.


Thanks.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Nevil Oscillator
#60 - 2014-10-09 11:26:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Nevil Oscillator
The OP is referring to some kind of ninja mining barge activity
I can't be certain why this is not profitable but my guess would be because mining corps can do it better.
I can understand the appearance that high price minerals are designed to be a new level you can reach by going into low sec but as far as I can tell, it doesn't work like that. Ore is a market commodity, it's only really worth something when someone clicks buy or place order.


Ore unless you want it yourself