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Reselling: Ripping off others and Provoking Karma
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Mr LaboratoryRat
Confederation of DuckTape Lovers
#1 - 2014-09-26 14:55:44 UTC
Are there any moral conscience issues rising amoung resellers?

I used to resell quet alot and was rly good at it. Eve-friends told me i was a natural. Sort of verbaly (by typing) i tried to rip off high end modules or snything else above 5b isk. Back in the summer of 2010 i start to notice that everytime i ripped someone off, the week after i got terrible unluck. Everytime i had a good strike... karma stroke back. As example this one time, i mad 20b on a tournament ship, i got attackt by a flock of pigeons when holding a sandwich and exiting a store. Out of the blue. My last encounter was on my motercycle. I made 50b on a T2 bpo and the week after i got into a mothercycle accident costing lots of broken bones and some perm memory amnesia.

Does any other of the resellers out here encounter the same?
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#2 - 2014-09-26 15:48:41 UTC
None at all... which is to say leave your morals, if any, at the door and jump in the deep end. Twisted


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Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
Nornir Empire
#3 - 2014-09-26 17:02:02 UTC
Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
#4 - 2014-09-26 21:43:40 UTC
Coincidence and a guilty conscience. Nothing more.

There are many activities in EVE that will not conflict with your basic nature. In 10 years of playing this game I have separated many pods from the ships they were in but I've never double crossed anyone or stolen anything. Not one Awox, not one theft, not one scam or broken promise on my conscience.

My basic nature is to work (fairly) hard and earn my keep. Having laws is one thing, but having ethics is another. One is enforced from outside, one is enforced from within. That said, you now all know that I am not a banker in real life :)

T-
Xanato Kaso
Frozen Flames
#5 - 2014-09-26 23:14:13 UTC
Tinu Moorhsum wrote:
Coincidence and a guilty conscience. Nothing more.

There are many activities in EVE that will not conflict with your basic nature. In 10 years of playing this game I have separated many pods from the ships they were in but I've never double crossed anyone or stolen anything. Not one Awox, not one theft, not one scam or broken promise on my conscience.

My basic nature is to work (fairly) hard and earn my keep. Having laws is one thing, but having ethics is another. One is enforced from outside, one is enforced from within. That said, you now all know that I am not a banker in real life :)

T-



Just like Parker, played by Jason Statham. That is how I run myself, I do not lie, cheat, or steal. I am upfront and honest with you, but it will not stop me from taking advantage of someone that does not bother to keep themselves informed.
Zahara Cody
Imperial Corrections Service.
#6 - 2014-09-27 04:05:44 UTC
I've never had a problem... knock on wood... including the 225 billion I made flipping one T2 BPO.

Hating is free, that's why poor people do it the best.
Qui Shon
Lone Wolf Freelancers
#7 - 2014-10-02 12:55:07 UTC
Resellers don't have a conscience, not in game, and not irl.
You're all psycho's

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#8 - 2014-10-02 17:42:52 UTC
I play upright and fair, karma loves me. No need to be nasty or bloodsuckers imo Blink

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Wraymond Arji
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2014-10-02 21:27:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Wraymond Arji
Karma is a joke. My whole life, both in and out of game I always played fair and fought hellish battles to uphold good morals. Nothing good ever came of it, only bad. For trying to do good, everyone turns on you and just takes whatever they can regardless if you will end up homeless or not. Screw karma and screw anyone dumb enough to let you I say. I stopped having morals a year ago and finally for once I have more than just enough money to not make ends meet in both IRL and eve. Karma is a myth used to maintain control over the masses. There is no etherical force of any nature controlling or manuipulating circumstances based on what you do, only what you do to affect change in your life and what others do to affect change in your life will affect changes in your life.

The trade off is that most people aren't interested in being friends, etc. I can live with that, because I don't care about their families anyways, only my own. I won't murder IRL, but I will shiv you and take your stuff in a heartbeat in eve. I won't break into your house IRL or steal from corp or corpies in eve, but I will scam the hell out of you if you're not on my team. If I can pop your ship by spending less than 25% of it's cost to double my isk on the transaction loot then I will regardless of sec hit. it's a dog eat dog world out there and I'm the alpha wolf baby. THAT is how eve and life works. If you're not willing to fight to get it and keep fighting to keep it then someone who is willing to fight for it will come and take it from you. it might as well be me since I can spend it better ....

Cheers :)
GreenSeed
#10 - 2014-10-03 12:37:19 UTC
why would there be bad karma with reselling? you are providing a service after all, you are absorbing overflow in production keeping a stable price, and absorbing spikes in demand keeping prices down.

the only people that get angry at flipping and reselling are people who think the eve economy doesn't have the volume to absorb the effects of individual manipulation. attempting to manipulate some commodities in eve is a pointless as trying to DDOS google.com, this is something any old trader knows, and interfering with manipulation attempts is what market PVP is all about. so if people wont do it for the profit, they will do it for the sport. in the end, the end buyer gets the fairest price, always. unless hes buying a carbon instead of a charon, and in that case he has no one to blame but himself. :D
Kudos12345
Doomheim
#11 - 2014-10-03 16:36:43 UTC
Anybody that believes that we live in a world free of consequence for our actions no matter how hidden is a fool. So in saying that climb your zen chair and at least try to levitate ^^
Big Lynx
#12 - 2014-10-03 18:53:27 UTC
I could tell stories you wont believe bud.Lol
Dirk Decibel
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2014-10-05 17:37:50 UTC
What is this karma you speak of?
Mohandar Sabezan
Doomheim
#14 - 2014-10-06 06:51:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Mohandar Sabezan
Mr LaboratoryRat wrote:
Are there any moral conscience issues rising amoung resellers?

I used to resell quet alot and was rly good at it. Eve-friends told me i was a natural. Sort of verbaly (by typing) i tried to rip off high end modules or snything else above 5b isk. Back in the summer of 2010 i start to notice that everytime i ripped someone off, the week after i got terrible unluck. Everytime i had a good strike... karma stroke back. As example this one time, i mad 20b on a tournament ship, i got attackt by a flock of pigeons when holding a sandwich and exiting a store. Out of the blue. My last encounter was on my motercycle. I made 50b on a T2 bpo and the week after i got into a mothercycle accident costing lots of broken bones and some perm memory amnesia.

Does any other of the resellers out here encounter the same?


The world is full of re-sellers, what's the moral problem? Direct TV sells AT&T phone service.
Zahara Cody
Imperial Corrections Service.
#15 - 2014-10-08 01:09:42 UTC
Big Lynx wrote:
I could tell stories you wont believe bud.Lol


Spill the beans.

Hating is free, that's why poor people do it the best.
Christopher Mabata
Northern Accounts and Systems
#16 - 2014-10-08 16:30:30 UTC
Felicity Love wrote:
None at all... which is to say leave your morals, if any, at the door and jump in the deep end. Twisted




this has practically defined a large portion of my time with eve, and i may steal this for future bio use Cool

that said the fewer scruples you have the fewer boundaries there are to break, which means more money to make
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Jace Sarice
#17 - 2014-10-08 23:44:23 UTC
Karma does not exist. Only your reputation. Nothing else matters.
Dream Five
Renegade Pleasure Androids
#18 - 2014-10-10 12:04:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Dream Five
Mr LaboratoryRat wrote:
Are there any moral conscience issues rising amoung resellers?

I used to resell quet alot and was rly good at it. Eve-friends told me i was a natural. Sort of verbaly (by typing) i tried to rip off high end modules or snything else above 5b isk. Back in the summer of 2010 i start to notice that everytime i ripped someone off, the week after i got terrible unluck. Everytime i had a good strike... karma stroke back. As example this one time, i mad 20b on a tournament ship, i got attackt by a flock of pigeons when holding a sandwich and exiting a store. Out of the blue. My last encounter was on my motercycle. I made 50b on a T2 bpo and the week after i got into a mothercycle accident costing lots of broken bones and some perm memory amnesia.

Does any other of the resellers out here encounter the same?



There's a fine line between risk, profit, amount of time that went into reselling, facilitating efficient markets, ROI opportunity cost and rip off.

There are traders who work hard and create efficient markets. Not all traders are evil just because they "speculate".

But certainly seems like a bit of well deserved karma for a 20b markup. I'd never mark something up that high, it's just gross and poor trader ethic.

Having said that, EVE is a tough and competitive game. Still at the very least exhibit some sportsmanlike/reasonable behavior.

Humans are social animals and by design are supposed to feel empathy. If they don't there's something wrong with them. So maybe deep inside your inner responsibility (possibly genetically imprinted) as a social animal is telling you something - perhaps that lack of empathy is not ok for you as a member of these species and you should either adjust/fix it or be punished.
Nicola Romanoff
Tannhauser C-Beam
Lux Collective
#19 - 2014-10-10 15:52:24 UTC
I am of the opinion that the way you act in game is telling of your morals and thinking outside of game. If you default to scamming in game and enjoy peoples suffering then I wouldn't rush to trust you outside of the game.
Charles Corvus
#20 - 2014-10-11 14:45:58 UTC
Jace Sarice wrote:
Karma does not exist. Only your reputation. Nothing else matters.


I totally agree. The repercussion to unethical conduct is a crappy reputation. And a good reputation is worth a lot more than a few billion ISK if you ask me.

Mr LaboratoryRat wrote:
I made 50b on a T2 bpo and the week after i got into a mothercycle accident costing lots of broken bones and some perm memory amnesia.


I'm sorry to hear that (assuming you're not making this up), but I believe the two events are unlerated. Karma is just a story to keep people on the right track.
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