Player Features and Ideas Discussion

As you know, CCP is still hush hush about the changes planned to be launched beside jump drive nerf as a solution for the stagnation created by the blue donut intiative and its counter mega power

Income as everyone knows is classified into active and passive and is usually measured by isk per hour meter

Passive income include: Moon milking, Reactions, PI, industry, BPO stuff..etc.... (Usually require minimal intervention where its sufficient to log and do ur thingy few minutes a day, update ur skill bar and log off to do other stuff )

After the successful patches done to nerfing tech, boosting R64, Industry redesign, passive income is mostly balanced in terms of sources and in terms of null/high risk vs reward

Active income, however, needs serious look if CCP want to push more players towards null.. lets have a look over the current isk/hour meter (READ: assuming u do stuff solo, travel time and feet time is taken into consideration, and u have high skilled ship):

Highsec >>> AVERAGE <<<:

Incursions: 180 mill per hour (Source: my actual experience)
High sec lvl 4 missions: 70 mill per hour (Source: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=320422)
Mining: 35 mill per hour (source: eve-calculator.com)
Ice mining: 25 mill per hour (source: eve-calculator.com)

Low sec >>>AVERAGE<<<

Faction war fare: 200 mill per hour (incase u have 2 chars in opposing factions)
LvL 5 missions: 120 mill per hour

Null Sec >>>AVERAGE<<<

Ratting anoms: 60 mill per hour
DED Plexes: 80-100 mill per hour (Very huge range in income depending on luck)


ok so lets take CCP Concept of risk vs reward taking into considertion the following factor:
Sec status (1 to 3) where 1 = high, 2=low, 3=null
Value of ships involved (1 to 3) where 1<300 mill, 2 = between 300 mill and 800 mill, 3 > 800 mill
Risk of having your ship destroyed (1 to 4): 1=nearly impossible, can go afk... 2= very Low, needs semi-afk ... 3= needs average intervention and lvl 4 skills .. 4 needs high skills and opened eyes .

now lets calculate the risk factor for above (with a proposition that havens / Sanctums can be done only by a sieged Marauder or by a carrier, and Forlorn hubs can be done by faction/pirate BS) :

High sec incursion: 1*3*4=12
High sec lvl 4: 1*1*2=2
Mining in high sec: 1*1*1=1
Faction war far: 2*1*4=8 (unfortunately, ccp decided that a bomber is enough for fw missions!!)
lvl 5 low sec missions: 2*2*4=16
Null Ratting Anoms (up to forsaken): 3*1*4= 12
Null Ratting Anoms (Forlorn): 3*2*4=24
Null Ratting Anoms (Sanctums/Havens): 3 * 3 * 4=36
Tough DED plexes: 3*2*4= 24
Medium DED Plexes: 3*1*3= 6

this means that level of risk (and proposed isk per hour value taking into consideration that havens / Sanctums can be done only by a sieged Marauder or by a carrier, and Forlorn hubs can be done by faction/pirate BS)) should be:

================Proposed result=======================
Sanctums/Havens (180 mill per hour) (more tough sites than the current, needs carrier/sieged marauder tank)
Forlorn hubs (150 Mill per hour) (Can be done by a well tanked faction/pirate BS or tech3)
lvl 5 missions (low sec) & Tough DED plexes (null) (120 mill per hour)
High sec incursion (HQ) and Forsaken hubs (null) (100 mill per hour)
FW missions: (80 mill per hour)
High sec incursion (VGs/Assualts) & Medium DED Plexes (null) (70 mill per hour)
High sec missions (50 mill per hour)
mining in high sec (20 mill per hour)
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After math:
Less isk per char than current with higher isk per hour for null dudes especially the high skilled ones
more interesting high end anomalies with more scramming frigs and high dps spawns
High sec incursion nerfed but still acceptable (100 mill per hour isnt that bad for HQs)

nerfing high sec income will give equality to null which is not fair...read all the analysis please before posting 2 minutes after the OP

we need to differentiate between whats good for the game and whats bad regardless of how many whine threads would be created... healthy stuff requires bold decisions

Warp speed rigged mach, its a literal isk printing machine.

Added something to my post after yours.
Didn't see it before.

Anyhow ... when battleships can enter lvl3s ...
... we should suggest CCP ends this nonsense.
Hahahaha the whining by the greedy bitches......

Would you agree?

Personally I think having tighter ship restrictions on missions is a good thing.

People who run lvl3s in battlecruisers are bad enough already.....

Baltec... that makes no sense.

When you can rent out systems for billions of ISK per month ...
... which obviously are easily made ...
... then you don't have an argument here ... no?

You assume the people who rent our space are good with sums. It makes sense if one guy is in a system running anoms with a personal carrier fleet but not for a corp.

The only good anom running systems are full and when you factor in the interruptions and the fact that level 3s are only 10 mil/hr lower than the best null anom income you just have to ask why bother with making isk in null?

Given the fact that most of my income comes from null sec: Some observations:

Ratting anomalies:
When done in an carrier and with an MTU its about 100 -120 million isk/hour

Battle complexes:
Since ccp dumbed down exploration a lot of people are doing it, and prices for a lot of deadspace modules are dropping. I think its now in the 50-60 million isk/hour range.

I do agree null needs a massive buff in isk making opportunities. or high sec needs to be nerfed hard (no incursions, lvl's 4 to lowsec, etc).

Remember, the only thing which makes EVE fun is hoarding isk and shooting people. The fact that CCP ads "challenging content" like burner missions is pretty laughable imho. If i can't make huge amounts of isk of it, it ain't worth the trouble.

You mean more like 700mil/h with current prices?

If you are sleeping with Lady Luck, then yes.