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[Petition] New gate connection for NPC null Space

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Anthar Thebess
#1 - 2014-10-06 07:24:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Anthar Thebess
EDIT:
Base topic was only for Stain, but i think this should apply this to all NPC null space regions not having direct access to NPC low space.
Instead of normal gate, those regions will get Small gate allowing only cruisers and non capital industrial ships to pass.
This will allow migration of new groups of players to those regions, and by this new corporation and alliances can be forged easily.

Without it for most players , moving to null will be equal to joining to some older group.


Base idea below:

Hello.
CCP plans to implement grate changes to limit range and usability of jump drives.
This will affect directly Jump Freighters , limiting their range so much that Stain will be only reachable by multiple mid points in Sov Space regions.

While this impacts everyone in eve , Stain is a bit different place.
This is one of the biggest ( if not the biggest ) NPC null region.
Many small groups of people live here skilling up and having fun without the need of joining big blobs.

Stain is also home of Stainwagon, that I’m part of.
Our coalition will manage to survive cutting off from higsec.
We have dozens of jump freighter pilots, we can provide cover, we have titans to bridge freighter near higsec WH , but in the opposite, small neutral groups don't have this possibility.

They have usually 1-2 jump freighters , sometimes none , and they base on the availability of Black Frog.

Upcoming changes leave them in bad position - as they will be unable to pull any supplies, and producing most of the stuff is not possible when you have just few people in your corporation.

Those small groups started to evacuate from Stain, they pull their towers, even transfer or sell POCO.
Before changes go live , most of them will be gone - and stain will be very boring ( from my perspective ) place.

What is also alarming any new group of players will not choose Stain as their new home , because of the same reasons.
It will be hard for them to move into this region not even talking about pulling down enough supplies to compete with local people.

I think eve cannot afford to cut off so big NPC null space that was place of birth so many corporations and alliances we have now in eve.

What i am proposing :
- create new gate connection to NPC low space.

This way new people will be able to come to this region using gates, and pull down supplies without having big blue list.
From my experience this connection could be similar to one of the current JF connections:

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/jump/Anshar,444/NRT4-U:Saminer
or
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/jump/Anshar,444/NRT4-U:Efa

or something totally new , and unexpected :
TL-T9Z <-> Iwisoda ( north south bridge)
or some also very interesting
TL-T9Z <-> Reblier ( linking syndicate and stain )

Please don't make stain deserted place , and don't limit possibility for new players to build their corporations and experience without the need of big blue list.

Please support my petition.
Thank you


For those who don't know how big is stain :
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Stain
Berry Myotis
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2014-10-06 08:13:59 UTC
maybe we should ask for perma WH to Jita... lets say from T8 or 4GQ? Roll
Balzaamon
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2014-10-06 09:27:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Balzaamon
+1 from me, good idea, if JF will have 5LY limitation, then new gate connection is brilliant idea.
Squilo
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2014-10-06 14:40:16 UTC
if JF will be limited to 5LY , the STAIN , will desert...
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2014-10-07 03:57:53 UTC
Yes, i can hear the CCP discussion now:

"Whats that, the changes were making specifically to counter logistics and force-projection throughout null makes it a little difficult to ship mass goods into and out of far nullsec regions? Whelp, better give them all direct to high connections, completely invalidating any and all reasons for us to make this change to begin with"

Get over yourselves, really. Your supposed to be living in nullsec, act like it. Wait until AFTER the change, because in all likelihood, those couple midpoints for your jumps wont be dangerous (or at least as dangerous).

But really, just dotn make those jumps, use cloaky haulers, whatever.

Nullsec is supposed to be hard, player infrastructure and whatnot, dont see a reason for CCP to step in to personally cater to things that annoy you.
Anthar Thebess
#6 - 2014-10-07 06:27:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Anthar Thebess
You are mistaking two things.
First this is NPC space probably the biggest NPC null space in eve.
Any small group could easily move there pilots, dock on some station and pull resources from higsec.
This group grow or die in this nullsec , but it was able to do something there.

Now this groups will never be able to get there, and even start to prosper there.
Even if Stain get this kind of entry point , it will be still in far worst situation that most of the NPC null spaces, as you could not easily jump into this region using JF.

From my perspective the best possibility is creating gate sizes , and give all unconnected NPC Null regions "Small" size gates to lowsecs.

Those gates will be available only to cruisers and non capital industrial ships - this way those small groups could be able to pull down stuff using T2 cloaky transport ships.

Second , in opposite to what you think, it is not about getting easy way to higsec , but getting new "neuts" that you can shoot at while roaming.
Like i stated already small groups are leaving area.
This is bad , for me and for them.

Edit:
Still this is nice move, i hope this will stay :

http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility
Before changes online was dropping, as far as below 23k on average.
After declaration from CCP , we got jump to over 25k.
Many players i know they stated they are re subbing, or will re sub if really something will change.

Still to early to say if this will stay.

I hope NPC null regions will get those gate connections , but to be fair not by gates capable of moving capital ships or JF, but only cruisers and below
corebloodbrothers
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#7 - 2014-10-08 06:43:36 UTC
Wormholes do provide options, its a bit of a search but you only have to get there once. Noc seeding, remote acces is all on the table but to have some areas that are hard to acces in eve, and therefor maybe desolated, or for niche players isnt bad. U can get anywhere with a ceptor in eve quickly, and start a empire with nothing.
Anthar Thebess
#8 - 2014-10-08 09:14:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Anthar Thebess
I agree.
Eve need spaces where some niche players can find their place.
Places when you can build your empire from nothing.
This can be edge SOV regions, or small NPC spaces like :
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Geminate/N-K4Q0 (Society of Conscious Thought)
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Pure_Blind/38G6-L (SOE)
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Pure_Blind/U-7RBK (MORDUS)
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Fountain/Phoenix (Serpentis)

If someone want vast spaces without stations:
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Great_Wildlands

Let me ask you a question.
Can EVE afford to cut easier access to two biggest NPC NULL spaces for new players or small groups?
Remember that usually in NPC space we will find other people than in Sov space.

In Sov spaces like Venal or Stain , many of current power houses where forged, and many power houses that where before them.
Can really eve can afford to loose places where new or independent players can live and compete / create content for people living in SOV.

I think no.
Because new , and small groups that where living in Stain are on the move. They are aware about possibility to use WH , but we both know, that you will not be able to build something basing on random connections , when you have just small group of friends in your corp.
For those players loosing 1 shipment is be or not to shipment.

Perfect solution could be creating "S" size gates , and making connection using this size .
Why?

Small group of players will easily move stuff they need using this gates , while this connection will be still to small for big blobs.

Yes from time to time they will make transport ops using T1 haulers, but think how much fun this will generate.
How many Tier 3 Battlecruisers are needed to kill few transport ships before dying in glorious flames?
How many bombs are needed to do tons of damage to blob.
Anthar Thebess
#9 - 2014-10-10 07:00:45 UTC
After recent announcement to bump JF range to 10 LY i still think that offering lowsec entry points for big NPC nullsec regions is good idea.
Sugar Kyle
Middle Ground
#10 - 2014-10-27 00:19:31 UTC
I personally would like some time spent looking at the actual structure of NPC null sec and its accessibility. It is on the things to poke CCP to look at with Phoebe's changes coming through and how player movement changes.

Member of CSM9 and CSM10.

Anthar Thebess
#11 - 2014-10-27 09:22:27 UTC
From my perspective JF having 5LY is grate idea - i fully support this.
Yet i feel that :
1 .Some eve gate connection should be limited to non capital movement
So XL size gates ( for capitals and supers) only towards nearest NPC space.

2. New gate connections to NPC Null space should be created.

Having some small remote nullsec pockets can be good :
Again small pockets like :
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Geminate/N-K4Q0 (Society of Conscious Thought)
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Pure_Blind/38G6-L (SOE)
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Pure_Blind/U-7RBK (MORDUS)
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Fountain/Phoenix (Serpentis)
should stay like they are.
They will provide place where niche players can find place to live in.

At the same time VAST null space regions like VENAL or STAIN should have new lowsec connection - perfectly "s" size , so any capital movement , including JF movement is blocked.

Those vast regions should not be hard to access by small alliances and corporations, additionally when we create north lowsec entry for STAIN , and south lowsec entry for Venal , we can have very interesting possibility for player movements.
While at the same time limiting ship class capable of moving by those gates , we will not brake any mechanic
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2014-12-17 11:25:14 UTC
I'm not an expert ofc, but something here got me thinking: can you do anything yourselves if (most likely) CCP won't do anything?

You said that you have access to logistical machine that most probably will be able to handle what's coming and your concern is smaller groups. So what if you try to seed the market with stuff for those people, for example?

Just random thoughts...
Anthar Thebess
#13 - 2014-12-17 23:11:39 UTC
Nullsec is for PVP.
So you think that someone will move , because "enemies will provide me ships".
Second thing , sometimes you have to pay few times more for the same stuff you can get in higsec.

People need to have supply lines , especially smaller groups.

NPC space , especially so big , should be easily accessible by new players.