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Nina Semiisku
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2014-10-08 05:18:41 UTC
Ok, perhaps I'm just too old, or generally to dumb, or my brain is just wired the wrong way, but I wonder whether I should just give up on this game. After f***** eight months in this game I've just spend half an hour trying to do something totally basic and simple that will take about a second ***if you know how to do it***---and I couldnt do it.

Its this: I bought a couple of frigs, and I wanted to transport them with my Bestower. Ships you bought, contrary to other items, dont show in the item hangar, but in personal assets. (Why???? they could just as well show un-assembled in the item hanar, no?) To get them into your hangar, you have to assemble them. If I assemble them, they wont fit into the frighter, but I dont find a way to get them in non-assembled, packaged form into either the freighter or into the item hangar. Right-clicking them doesnt show any way, dragging them with the mouse doesnt work. So apparently Im once again not seeing something totally obvious, or once again to do a simple, basic thing you have to do some secret dance steps or curious movements with the mouse or whatever. As many times before, I fail to think out the right search string for google to find a solution.

Yeah, Im *whining* here. Enjoy the salty liquid.

Anyone tell me the, surely totally simple, solution, though?
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#2 - 2014-10-08 05:47:50 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
http://youtu.be/QWu0QWrNFaU?t=3m21s

tldw;

- make sure you are not in the ship you want to move (right-click, "Leave Ship")
- right-click the ship in question, "Repackage"
- ship is now an item and can be moved into cargoholds and/or sold on the market

NOTE: even though a "packaged" ship is now an item, it will still be in the hanger with other ships. There is a way to combine items and ships into one window... but I will have to look into it.


Also... don't feel bad. Stupid **** like this happens all the time even to the best of us. A few months ago a bitter vet friend of mine (from the early years of EVE) resubbed.
The man spent 10 minutes looking for the "Undock" button and then screamed "What is THIS??? WHAT DID THEY DO TO MY EVE!"


edit:
if all of the above does not work... try sacrificing a few neckbeards to the elder gods to gain enlightenment and drink their still warm blood mixed with beer to enhance your own mental capacity!
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#3 - 2014-10-08 05:55:02 UTC
Ships always show in the ship hangar, despite their state.

https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Inventory_window

You might want to add your assets to the station menu:
ESC > General Settings > Station > Merge "items" and "ships" into station panel

You'll find EVE a lot less frustrating if you just ask before you do get frustrated Blink
Nina Semiisku
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2014-10-08 05:57:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Nina Semiisku
Shah: Your advice didnt fit my problem....but your anecdote about your bitter vet friend helped me emotionally. ;)

Tau: No, my newly bought ships do not show in the hangar. I tried the change in the settings you suggested,, but it didnt change a thing: Still new-bought ships in packaged state in Personal Assets, but not in Items/hangar.


Perhaps I should word my prob shorter: How to get a ship from "Personal Assets" to "Inventory" without assembling it?
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#5 - 2014-10-08 06:07:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Btw, you can just click-and-drag the packaged ships from the ship hangar into your bestower.

You don't need to assemble them.

EVERYTHING shows in the assets window, regardless if it is a ship or an item. It is for locating things, not manipulating them. Inventory is for manipulating.

If you are not in the ship, you can right-click it in your inventory and repackage it.
Nina Semiisku
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2014-10-08 06:10:43 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Btw, you can just click-and-drag the packaged ships from the ship hangar into your bestower.

.



Well, as I said in my original post: That was of course the first thing I tried, but it did not work.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#7 - 2014-10-08 06:11:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Nina Semiisku wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Btw, you can just click-and-drag the packaged ships from the ship hangar into your bestower.

.



Well, as I said in my original post: That was of course the first thing I tried, but it did not work.

You were probably dragging from assets, not inventory.

Assets (ALT T): icon looks like a safe. It is for locating items.
Inventory (ALT C): Icon looks like an open container. It is for manipulating items.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#8 - 2014-10-08 06:15:32 UTC
A screenshot would help here.
Nina Semiisku
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2014-10-08 06:15:55 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:

You were probably dragging from assets, not inventory.


Hey, really, I dont want to be complicated, but new-bought ships for me *never* showed in the inventory, but only in the Assets. The only way to make them usable so far has been clicking at them in the Assets window and "assemble" them....only after that they use to show in the inventory. I guess, there must be another setting that is different between your and my installation.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#10 - 2014-10-08 06:20:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
When you look at your cargohold, do you see a tree to the left (labeled Index)?

It has:
* Current ship (cargohold)
* Ship Hangar (where all your ships in-station are).
* Item Hangar (where all your items in-station are).
Left-click on one to change the view. Each also has an arrow (white triangle) to the left of label, which expands or collapses them.

If you don't see the tree, it may be collapsed. There is a white arrow (triangle) at the top left of the window under the word "inventory". Click on it to expand / collapse.

This help?

EDIT: As for too old, I'm 47.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#11 - 2014-10-08 06:34:03 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Nina Semiisku wrote:
Ok, perhaps I'm just too old, or generally to dumb, or my brain is just wired the wrong way, but I wonder whether I should just give up on this game. After f***** eight months in this game I've just spend half an hour trying to do something totally basic and simple that will take about a second ***if you know how to do it***---and I couldnt do it.

Its this: I bought a couple of frigs, and I wanted to transport them with my Bestower. Ships you bought, contrary to other items, dont show in the item hangar, but in personal assets. (Why???? they could just as well show un-assembled in the item hanar, no?) To get them into your hangar, you have to assemble them. If I assemble them, they wont fit into the frighter, but I dont find a way to get them in non-assembled, packaged form into either the freighter or into the item hangar. Right-clicking them doesnt show any way, dragging them with the mouse doesnt work. So apparently Im once again not seeing something totally obvious, or once again to do a simple, basic thing you have to do some secret dance steps or curious movements with the mouse or whatever. As many times before, I fail to think out the right search string for google to find a solution.

Yeah, Im *whining* here. Enjoy the salty liquid.

Anyone tell me the, surely totally simple, solution, though?


Any bought ship should appear in your "ship hangar", unassembled or assembled. Not in your item hangar.

Unassembled ships just don't show up in the quick drop down menu of the ship hangar (as you can't board them yet). Click Ship hangar itself and voila, they are there.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#12 - 2014-10-08 06:37:57 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
When you look at your cargohold, do you see a tree to the left (labeled Index)?

It has:
* Current ship (cargohold)
* Ship Hangar (where all your ships in-station are).
* Item Hangar (where all your items in-station are).
Left-click on one to change the view. Each also has an arrow (white triangle) to the left of label, which expands or collapses them.

If you don't see the tree, it may be collapsed. There is a white arrow (triangle) at the top left of the window under the word "inventory". Click on it to expand / collapse.

This help?

EDIT: As for old, I'm 47.



Also, keep in mind:

Your ship hangar will by default also show any assembled ship in the tree to the left. For quick access and switching, but your unassembled ships are also in the ship hangar.

Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy

Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded

Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club

Nina Semiisku
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2014-10-08 06:40:52 UTC
Ok, perhaps a screenshot really helps here:

http://rat-service.de/temp/assets.jpg

......from the very beginning, no bought ship ever appeared in my Inventory before I right-clicked at it in the Assets and "assembled" it. This drove me nuts and cost me an hour or two when I bought a ship for the first time.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#14 - 2014-10-08 06:52:09 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
Okay, close the assets window. It is confusing you. :D

There should be TWO windows... one for items (Inventory) and one for ships, packaged or otherwise (Ship Hanger).

You can find the Ship Hanger in the NeoCom "start button" (the E above your picture) and in one of the folder trees in there. When you find it, drag it down to toolbar on the left side.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#15 - 2014-10-08 06:53:54 UTC
I convo'd.

Problem solved Bear
Nina Semiisku
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2014-10-08 06:55:56 UTC
All good now....Tau talked to me in game and solved it for me. Idiotic from me, surely, but I just had not realized that the new ships would not appear on the left side in the ship list, but only if I really clicked at the "ship hangar", then they appear on the right.

Sight, again...prolly my dumbness, but perhaps also a bit of complicatedness one doesnt necessarily get.

Anyway: Thanks to all that tried to help me!
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#17 - 2014-10-08 07:00:55 UTC
Nina Semiisku wrote:
Ok, perhaps a screenshot really helps here:

http://rat-service.de/temp/assets.jpg

......from the very beginning, no bought ship ever appeared in my Inventory before I right-clicked at it in the Assets and "assembled" it. This drove me nuts and cost me an hour or two when I bought a ship for the first time.



As solved by Tau, for future new players with the same Q:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/k4q4wvv163n91wh/assets.jpg?dl=0

Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy

Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded

Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club

Oraac Ensor
#18 - 2014-10-08 08:14:04 UTC
Nina Semiisku wrote:

Sight, again...prolly my dumbness, but perhaps also a bit of complicatedness one doesnt necessarily get.

It can happen to anyone.

When I started out I was completely baffled by the fact that I was unable to stack some items in my hangar. I took me several weeks to realise that items have to be repackaged before they will stack.
Nina Semiisku
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2014-10-08 08:59:38 UTC
J'Poll wrote:


As solved by Tau, for future new players with the same Q:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/k4q4wvv163n91wh/assets.jpg?dl=0



That's cool! ....but allow me to modify your graphic a tad to add the advice that actually I needed: Before Tau told me, I actually never CLICKED AT SHIP HANGAR. Perhaps very dumb, but perhaps, as I realize now, not really so dumb, cause EVE at this point moves away from Windows standards that are very deeply ingrained in most of us: In the list on the left side Ship Hangar is opened, and the assembled ships are listed there---according to normal Windows UI standards that means nothing else but these same ships would appear on the right side if you clicked at Ship Hangar. Obviouisly, EVE is not a standard Windows program, but the Inventory just looks so much like a standard Explorer-like display that one, or at least I, is expecting the same behavior.

Anyway: the slightly modified graphic:

http://rat-service.de/temp/assets.jpg
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#20 - 2014-10-08 09:34:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Bagrat Skalski
Ship stays in hangar unasembled, that is all. CCP should make them visible in menu, but red and with (unasembled) name tag.
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